Palace clears Purisima: No PNP chain of command
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A+AA-Resigned PNP chief Alan Purisima faces questions from senators during Day 2 of the Senate hearing on the Mamasapano incident. RAFFY LERMAMalacañang on Wednesday said Alan Purisima was “no longer in the line of authority” and could not be held liable when he met with President Benigno Aquino III on Jan. 9 in the planning of a commando operation in January that turned into a bloodbath.By then, Purisima was on preventive suspension as Philippine National Police chief on corruption charges.“He (Purisima) had the actionable intelligence. That was the role that he had,” presidential spokesperson Edwin Lacierda said in a press briefing.Asked if by being at the Bahay Pangarap meeting attended by top officers of the elite Special Action Force (SAF) Purisima still had the influence and power of a PNP chief despite being suspended, Lacierda said that thought was going by the idea of the “chain of command construct” followed in the military.“You must remember that the Philippine National Police under the Constitution is civilian in character, so what you’re saying—what you’re presupposing is that there’s a chain of command that was being observed,” Lacierda said.Lacierda said that in Tuesday’s Senate inquiry into the Jan. 25 massacre of 44 SAF commandos in Mamasapano, Maguindanao province, while pursuing two “high-value” terrorists, Justice Secretary Leila de Lima opined that the PNP, being civilian in character, did not have the chain of command structure in the Armed Forces of the Philippines.He said the civilian equivalent of the chain of command was the “line of authority or command responsibility.”When asked if Purisima still had command responsibility on Jan. 9, Lacierda replied:“That’s a question that should be asked in the inquiry. I cannot speak for Gen. Purisima. I mean that’s part of the inquiry.”Purisima, suspended by the Office of the Ombudsman on Dec. 4 last year on corruption charges, resigned last week. President Aquino on Friday announced he had accepted the resignation.Lacierda said that the relieved SAF commander, Director Getulio Napeñas, failed to follow the instructions of President Aquino to “coordinate” the operation to get Marwan, according to testimony in the Senate hearings. “Unfortunately, that coordination was not followed,” he said.The Palace has said thatMr. Aquino met with the suspended Purisima on Jan. 9 because Purisima had “actionable intelligence” on Zulkifli bin Hir, alias “Marwan,” a Malaysian terrorist, and his Filipino deputy, Abdul Basit Usman.Ombudsman probersOmbudsman Conchita Carpio Morales told the Foreign Correspondents Association of the Philippines during a forum on Wednesday that Purisima could still be held accountable because he resigned as PNP director general and not as a PNP member. “We can still run after him,” she said.“A possible charge is usurpation of authority [because] he was under suspension when the alleged order came from him. I said ‘alleged’ we are not yet determining whether he participated. To use his word, he merely advised, not ordered,” Morales said.Morales said she already had formed a panel of investigators to determine who should be held liable for the Mamasapano incident. She said her office inquiry is independent of the investigations being conducted by other agencies.“We may look out the window and see the stars but not the moon [but] if our findings are comprehensive enough so be it, we are not going to the other agencies,” Morales said.Purisima’s pleaTestifying on Wednesday in a separate inquiry of the House of Representatives into last month’s carnage, Purisima repeated that he did no wrong in keeping Secretary Mar Roxas of the Department of the Interior and Local Government out of the loop on the Mamasapano operation.“I could not be accused of breaking the chain of command,” he said, reading from a prepared statement. “This does not exist in a civilian organization like the PNP.”“The DILG and the secretary does not have control over the PNP, he is not part of the PNP command. Although Secretary Roxas is chair of the Napolcom (National Police Commission), it acts as a collegial body under the command and control of the PNP,” said Purisima.Both Roxas and Deputy Director General Leonardo Espina, the PNP officer in charge, were not informed by Napeñas of the jump-off on Jan. 25.Napeñas claimed he was told by Purisima after the Jan. 9 mission briefing with the President not to tell Roxas and Espina. Purisima earlier told the Senate he meant this as advice and not as an order. Napeñas also said he followed Purisima as a judgment call because he assumed that this had the tacit approval of the President.In his explanation, Purisima had already delegated the control of the mission to the SAF director before his suspension.“Under the chief PNP, once he delegates it, the commander assumes control… there is no need to inform DILG contrary… the command line of PNP was not broken. The force commander continued to exercise the delegated power of the chief PNP which was never affected by my preventive suspension, it did not prevent me from giving advice and input,” said Purisima.Executive privilegePurisima, however, was less candid about his communications with the President on the mission, claiming this was part of executive privilege.Negros Occidental Rep. Jeffrey Ferrer and Basilan Rep. Jim Hataman-Salliman, the chairs of the House committees conducting the inquiry, ruled that Purisima should be given time to consult with the President before giving his reply.Bayan Muna Rep. Neri Colmenares moved that the President be summoned to the House probe next Tuesday and Wednesday due to Purisima’s refusal to lay bare the Chief Executive’s role in the mission planning even in executive session with House members. This was thumbed down by the majority. With reports from Leila B. Salaverria and Tetch Torres-Tupas, Inquirer.netRELATED STORIES
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makati boy • 23 minutes ago “The DILG and the secretary does not have control over the PNP, he is not part of the PNP command. Although Secretary Roxas is chair of the Napolcom (National Police Commission), it acts as a collegial body under the command and control of the PNP,” said Purisima.- Is Purisima really a graduate of PMA? His statement betrays his ignorance. The PNP was in “unsafe” hands under him. He should know that the PNP is a bureau under the DILG. The SILG has supervision and CONTROL over the bureaus under the DILG, including the PNP. The PNP Chief is a bureau head, thus he is under the supervision and CONTROL of the SILG Mar Roxas. Thank God, he resigned.thadeothadeo • 33 minutes ago "There's no chain of command in the PNP..." choruses Purisima, Lacierda from the legal opinion of the DOJ Sec. Liela de Lima. What a puerile attempt to exculpate the President and Purisima from the responsibility breaking the chain of command that led to miscoordination and confusion about the reinforcements resulting to the massacre of the SAF 44.. Even the ROTC and the boy scouts observe that. A drill sergeant would bark "attention" or "forward march" and the rank will just smile nonchalantly, and he is not guilty of insubordination because there's no chain of command, huh? So what's the need for rankings from PO1 to Police Director?Hay Naku, LIEla, Edwin, and Alan. Resorting to faulty logic and absence of common sense. Mag-isip naman kayo ng tamang sagot. Wala na ngang isip ang presidente ninyo, gagayahin nio pa?
Doroy Guevarra • 35 minutes ago Walang pananagutan si Purisima dahil hindi siya active dahil nga suspendido. Walang chain of command! Eh, bakit siya tinawag at in-involved ng commander in chief na si Aquino? So Aquino bypassed the chain of command, di ba, Mr. Lacierda?
Rovingmoron • an hour ago I think what Sen. Allan Peter Cayetano said in the Senate hearing putting the blame on the MILF on the carnage was very clear. First, it was reported that the MILF has indeed provided sanctuary to the BIFF and the terrorists alike as shown by the senator's presentation. This made the path to the peace process so thorny because the public has been cheated into believing that the MILF is serious in complying with all the requirements of the peace agreement. Action speaks louder than words. When the MILF commanders joined the BIFF and allegedly some private armed groups of the Ampatuans, to shoot it out with the SAF troopers who were only serving a warrant of arrest for Marwan and Usman, it was misconstrued as a sign of secret collaboration with the enemies while the peace process is on-going. Except for one, MILF officials failed to show up in the hearing. The way I understand it, OPAPP secretary Tess Deles acted as if she was the spokesperson for the MILF for reasons unknown to me and the public. What happened in Mamapasano was a serious lesson to be learned, especially among the military and police troopers who are out on an official mission to extract their targets. They don't have to listen to the advice given by a suspended military or police official, even if that ranking official was part of the original plan. NO NEED!
pod Rovingmoron • 41 minutes ago The BIFF are within the MILF territory at the MILF's 105th base.
Look at the AFP diagram.
Ｉｓｐｒｉｋｉｔｉｋ💬 • an hour ago You may speak technically and simply say that there is no chain of command in the PNP. But, that doesn't negate the fact that there is no trust and confidence in Roxas and Espina.
Gloria Perez Ｉｓｐｒｉｋｉｔｉｋ💬 • 39 minutes ago When ESPINA was designated as OIC, his hands were tied because he can not make changes in the Command Staff which were all appointed by Purisima.. It is more of a loyalty issue than a trust and confidence issue.By this statement of Malacanang of no chain of command.. I won't be surprised if Purisima is barred in the future in entering a PNP camp. He will be treated like a plague, a PARIAH and most of all a trouble maker.
victorts • an hour ago The Palace is not in position to clear anybody in the SAF 44 massacre as its head is one of those suspected of spearheading the operation. In fact, Pnoy is perceived to be the most guilty in the death of the SAF commandos.
Kapitan Kulas • an hour ago OK walang pananagutan si Purisima, eh di ibig sabihin si BS Aquino lang talaga ang may buong pananagutan dahil silang dalawa lang naman ang mataas ang ranggo na nasa meeting with Napenas bago ang operation. Mahirap bang intindihin yan BAYAN? Tanggalin na iyan at patirahin na lang sa teritoryon ng MILF at BIFF! Ngayon Na!Gloria Perez • an hour ago That is lot of bull... and very bad for Malacanang...There is a still a chain of command it may not be a military chain of command in name but in truth a clear line of authorities and responsibilities or 'COMMAND STRUCTURE' is being used in the PNP which is a Para-Military Organization.The Malacanang apologists in their effort to absolve Aquino and Purisima unknowingly is undermining the PNP and its Command Structure. This is really bad for Malacanang and very AMATUERISH !!pod Gloria Perez • 39 minutes ago PNP is not a "Para-Military Organization".
Only PNP SAF or other such sections are.Gloria Perez pod • 35 minutes ago From WikipediaA paramilitary is a militarized or semi-militarized force whose organizational structure, training, subculture, and (often) function are similar to those of a professional military, and which is not included as part of a state's formal armed forces.[1]Under the Law of Armed Conflict, a state may incorporate a paramilitary organization or armed agency (such as a national police or a private volunteermilitia) into its armed forces. The other parties to a conflict have to be notified thereof.[2]The use of the term paramilitary is debated, with different groups differently classifying groups as paramilitary or not based on disagreements as to what constitutes the correct standards as to what is similar to a military force and what is the correct method for deciding if a group meets those standards. The evaluation of the nature of a paramilitary force varies depending upon the nature on the individual group, the standards used to discern the list of groups that are paramilitary, and the list of groups that have been categorized as paramilitary. Organizations that have been described as paramilitary are as diverse as the Minutemen, youth groups (from scouting to the Pioneer movement), and even martially-themedboarding schools.pod Gloria Perez • 10 minutes ago Yes, thats what i said, other than "Organizations that have been described as paramilitary are as diverse as
the Minutemen, youth groups (from scouting to the Pioneer movement),
and even martially-themedboarding schools."
Also the girls cooking class is paramilitary if you describe it as such as they also have knives.
In fact it is because it has been described as paramilitary, i just did.
In practice "noting or pertaining to an organization operating as, in place of, or as a supplement to a regular military force".
Such as the duties of PNP SAF, but not local policeman or the boy scouts.
Thats the problem with wikipedia, its very useful but only as a guide and cross check is advised.
kayanatwo • an hour ago 12feb15nobody asked me, but....the 44 SAF men heroic actions reminded of the incident when the US pres. carter action to gave a green light to rescue the americans held hostage inside the US embassy at teheran,iran during the mid 70's. the attempted rescue failed / aborted due to the bad weather and desert sandstorm resulting to the lost of US soldiers lives and equipment failures..pres. carter on a national televised speech owned-up the responsibility and asked the american for their support for the military community...and the whole nation mourns for the US soldiers lives that were lost during the failed/ aborted rescue mission.in every military/law enforcement mission/ops, the "murphy's law" do applied..and sometime the consequence are very tragic.........if only p-noy owned-up or took some blame and responsibility for the lost lives of the 44 SAF men right from the git-go, the whole story would be different from what we all have witness now....the 44 SAF incident are now used by the low life "trapos" to have his/her " 5 minutes fame and media time..."lately, the whole congressional hearings in re to 44 SAF men are now turn into circus and "pa-pogi point events.onli in da pilipins"Abdulkadirjulmani • an hour ago Baloney! ! - -Line of Authority& Command Responsibility is the same animal as a Chain of Command - It is a matter of semantics with same mechanics. Line of Authority& Command Responsibility is a civilian equivalent terminology to the Military's Chain of Command .Both works/operates the same.Let us review the BASIC
MILITARY DOCTRINE ON RESPONSIBILITY & AUTHORITY. RESPONSIBILITY
CANNOT BE DELEGATED BUT AUTHORITY CAN BE DELEGATED. THUS IF THE CHIEF PNP
DELEGATES AUTHORITY TO HIS LOWER SUBORDINATE COMMANDER HE CANNOT DELEGATE THE
RESPONSIBILITY .AS CHIEF PNP. COMMAND RESPONSIBILITY STILL RESTS AT HIM AS THE
HIGHEST ECHELON OF THE PNP CHAIN OF COMMAND.Thus , when GEN Purisima stated na
walang Chain of Command sa PNP and allegedly CHief PNP can delegate
Responsibility to a Lower subordinate PNP unit Comdr.?/,that was the height of
ignorance !! It is time that PNP should go back to the fold of the AFP for
straying/deviating away from the very Basic Military Doctrine on Command
Responsibility..Although the PNP is civilian in character,this does not remove the Command Responsibility of the Chief PNP,hence stops at the highest level with the Chief PNP..Gen Napenas being a subordinate authority broke the PNP line of Authority by not informing his superior authority the Chief PNP_Gen Espinapod Abdulkadirjulmani • 36 minutes ago Espina did know, its only the decision for the "jump off" he did not know.Gloria Perez pod • 13 minutes ago see moreRule 7 of CSCPREVENTIVE SUSPENSION
Section 25. Preventive Suspension, nature. –Preventive suspension is not a penalty. It is designed merely as a measure of precaution so that the official or employee charged may be removed from the scene of his/her alleged misfeasance/malfeasance/nonfeasance while the same is being investigated.
Section 26. When Issued; Grounds. – Upon petition of the complainant or motu proprio, the proper disciplining authority may issue an order of preventive suspension upon service of the formal charge or notice of charge/s, or immediately
thereafter to any subordinate officer or employee under his/her authority pending
an investigation, if
A) The charge involves:
1. Dishonesty;
2. Oppression;
3. Grave Misconduct;
4. Neglect in the Performance of Duty;
5. Administrative offenses which are punishable by dismissal
from the service on its second or third offense; or
6. If there are reasons to believe that the respondent is guilty
of charges which would warrant his/her removal from the
service.
10B) An order of preventive suspension may be issued to temporarily
remove the respondent from the scene of his/her misfeasance,
malfeasance or nonfeasance to preclude the possibility of:
1. exerting undue influence or pressure on the witnesses against
him/her, or
2. tampering with evidence that may be used against him/her.Gloria Perez pod • 14 minutes ago I have worked in the Philippine Goverment in the Past. I am talking from a stand point of a purely civilian organization governed under CSC rules. In many projects I was involved with. In any phase of a Project from Inception, Deliberations, Brain-Storming, Fine-tuning, Approval, Implementation, Post Implementation Review, Evaluation if any of its members even the Project Director is suspended by competent Authority he loses his responsibility and duty to the project and the only task mandated of him is PROJECT TURN-OVER. Irregardless of the duration of suspension if the person is suspended he must relinquish control of the project if he is the project director or disassociate himself.
Nate • an hour ago LOL... The PNoy haters and the lapdogs here, when they make their comments, they make it look like they're experts in the subject and knows every detail of what transpired. They actually sound like jilted lovers or even worst, rambling lunatics so I hope they don't lose sleep on it and may have a good day. Just sayin'.
Boc Cayo Nate • an hour ago There are no haters. They are just saying that they think PNoy's incompetence led to 44 deaths. He can't even form a team he can trust!!! He can't even trust his AFP to have a rescue contingency plan.bwahahaha, I think there's no way anyone can defend his incompetence anymore, not even himself. Everyone thinks now that if he can justify himself, he could easily go to the Senate to shed light in the investigation. But obviously he is using technicalities to hide...like an ostrich burying its head on the sand.aristeosj Boc Cayo • an hour ago I'm wondering what those technicalities are the president is using to hide??Nate Boc Cayo • an hour ago So which one do you think you belong? an expert? a jilted lover? or a rambling lunatic? I can't overemphasize that none and I say again NONE of you guys knows even just 1/8 of the details of what transpired and you ramble like experts. Just sayin'.pod Nate • 33 minutes ago He is a rambling lunatic who writes with very little and selective knowledge of the subject in order to further his agenda rather than his opinion.
Boc Cayo • 2 hours ago Technically speaking, there is no chain of command in PNP.But as a matter of principle, it applies to any type of organization, the boss of my boss will not give me sensitive orders directly since that will be a bypass of my boss. That is highly unprofessional,But Malacanang still could not justify why General Espina was bypassed. Legally, they are not violating any law. BUT THEY ARE THE WORST LEADERS OF THIS NATION.Had Espina not been bypassed, I think there was a big chance of better rescue contingency planning with Army and Air Force. I don't think he is as foolish as that other general.I THINK THEY PRACTICALLY ENABLED THE DEATH OF THE 44. THIS WILL BE THEIR LEGACY.pod Boc Cayo • 31 minutes ago Espina was aware of the plan, it is only the "jump off" that is in question and that is the decision of the SAF commander.aristeosj Boc Cayo • an hour ago I think you must also take into account the sensitivity of the mission before you cast judgment to the players of this mission.
Anqui • 2 hours ago P-NOY RUNNING A COUNTRY IS NOT A FREEMASON LODGE...In Freemason it is a social circle of people who has an OBLIGATION to the lodge and to the present Master. No one gets hurt when or if the lodge is burnt down or a brother dies.Alberto • 2 hours ago purisima should take the burden of being the fall guy for pnoy, the stupid. now purisima is compounding his errors and making a bad situation worse. since pnoy wants to protect purisima at all costs, even if his credibility with the filipino people is getting worse and worse, so much the better because the downfall of pnoy is already being prepared by incompetents like purisima and pnoy;s ignorance of what he is actually showing to the public.
tarikan • 2 hours ago No chain of command in PNP? Ano "daisy-chain" lang sila PNoy, Lacierda, Ochoa & Purisima? What a ghastly sight...urrrgh!READMENOW2011 • 2 hours ago This is the curse Pnoy expects to suffer by following the line of thinking of the Freemasons.And the line of thinking of the anti-life pharma groups of the unbelievers.Millions of the unborn lost their lives because of his whole support of Aquino to the pro-abortion RH Law.Ang tunglo miabot na...READMENOW2011 • 2 hours ago Now it becomes clearer, PURISIMA and PNOY AQUINO are responsible of Fallen 44's death.Silang dalawa. No other to blame here. Sana maging lalaki sila katulad nang ginawa ni Gen. Espina.Kaso Punso Platito itong si Purisima at Pres. Aquino.Pres. Aquino is held hostage by Freemason headed by Purisima.Kaya hawak ang leeg ni Aquino.tarikan READMENOW2011 • 2 hours ago Hula ko kaya hawak ni Purisima si PNoy sa ilong kasi may alam si Puri na hindi kanaisnais. Close in seku na yang si Puri since binata pa si Noynoy. Siguro noon nagpupunta sila sa gay bars (alalay si Puri).
Doroy Guevarra • 2 hours ago At dahil Pnoy meet with Puerisima and Napenas to discuss the mission, Pnoy made it official at hindi coffee chat lang!Doroy Guevarra • 2 hours ago Mr. Lacierda, we the Filipino people, whom your Boss Pinoy calls his boss don't buy your explanation. Your boss himself broke the chain of command by allowing his friend Purisima to call the shots even though suspended.
Cybercrimelawsucks • 2 hours ago Too bad GMA can't be blamed so a new Pontius Pilate tactic is being formulated. Please, we are not dumb, Purisima can't be absolved, it's obvious he was on top of everything. If I was Roxas, I will offer my resignation for losing the trust and confidence of the president - I think he'll get major points for doing so, it might help resuscitate his flailing presidential ambitions. In fairness to him, despite being an epal, things don't go as bad as what happened with the SAF operations. Not good, but not as terrible as when the president is calling the shots. Also, can Lacierda stop talking and let Coloma just speak on their behalf?
joeyrivera Ｉｓｐｒｉｋｉｔｉｋ💬 • 2 hours ago In other countries people the likes of Mar would have resigned the very moment he found out he was taken out of the loop about the mission, but he's power hungry that is ignoring delicadeza...Ｉｓｐｒｉｋｉｔｉｋ💬 joeyrivera • an hour ago Agree. I just wonder what's at the back of his mind when he's with PNoy.
francoalminolibre • 3 hours ago palace is the champion of lying men and women. nobody believes them anyway. pnot feel he commits no mistake and he thinks that he is more popish than the pope, owns no responsibility for any debacle in this government. indeed boy sisi. remember that the day before the operation, he was at zamboanga ready for the turning-over ceremony of marwan should the operation become succesful but when it became sour he hide himself like the "courage", the cowardly dog and ABANDONED his men when they were crying for help. until know he cannot explain his absence for three long days. the worst part of his character is that he defends his friends like the equally lying purisima heaping all the blame to his foot soldiers who laid there lives for the comfort and security of this corrupt executive and legislative officials afflicted with PDAP spending habits. dapat kayo na ang minasaker doon hindi ang mga kawawang sundalo.
concerned • 3 hours ago purisima is old enough to defend himself . . . .without the help from malacanang. . .guilty ???Doroy Guevarra • 3 hours ago The acting head of the PNP, Espina, was not in the discussion with Aquino and the suspended Purisima told Napenas not to tell Roxas and Espina. Sa ating cultura when is an instruction be interpreted as an advice and not an order. Why did Pinoy not involve Espina sa discussion?
Asha'man Doroy Guevarra • 2 hours ago More importantly, when Aquino ordered Napenas to coordinate with Roxas and Espina, was Purisima there? And if so, he also shares the blame because he specifically advised Espina against the orders of the President. I hope the Ombudsman can clear this up as I don't have any trust on the Board of Inquiry that Pnoy made up.
B3ntong • 3 hours ago When asked if Purisima still had command responsibility on Jan. 9, Lacierda replied:
“That’s a question that should be asked in the inquiry. I cannot speak for Gen. Purisima. I mean that’s part of the inquiry.”
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Bugok talagang laceirdang ito! ni CLEAR na si purosima pero hindi nya siguradong me papel sa 44 SAF na inilaglag.
critical mass • 3 hours ago You are saying that there is a board of inquiry and yet you are clearing him. Ano ito Moro-Moro? Corrupt
SantiagoAcyatan • 3 hours ago Kawawang Director Getulio Napeñas. Naging escape goat.
Sana nag member ka muna sa Pnot club (Prominent members: Santisima Purisima, Abad, Alcala, Noggie at Coloma), bago ka lumusob sa mga tarantadong moro, protektado ka sana.
doubting tomas • 3 hours ago But he told Napenas not tell inform Sec. Roxas and Gen. Espina
which in fact has a lot to do with the operation.
It's beyond incredulous that Gen. Napenas acted all
by himself and went on with the disastrous and
very costly operation.Talk about not knowing to shut the
heck up !!The palace just buries itself deeper in crap.
bogli_anakdami • 4 hours ago as expected... no surprise here....
ayos.... abswelto si pukesima...katsupaan kasi ni flip prez gung gong akino....
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