Saturday, November 9, 2013

Hong Kong: Filipinos Should Not Move to the Back of the Bus

WHY MAYOR ESTRADA IS WRONG ON HONG KONG

Rosa-Parks
Rosa Parks. A different bus.
Subtitled: Filipinos Should Not Move to the Back of the Bus
As is often the case, kindly bear with me as I wander through some facts and acts, and examine things a bit, before arriving at a conclusion.
I’m sure most of you are aware of the background of the incident commonly known as the “Bus Massacre”. Eight Hong Kong tourists were killed on August 23, 2010, when an angry Filipino, holding the tourists hostage on a bus, opened fire on the hostages as Filipino police, trying to apprehend him, charged the bus.
The case has festered for three years because Hong Kong demands apology and remuneration from the Philippines while President Aquino holds to a “no apology” position. It is about as intricate as an issue comes. It reflects cross-cultural dynamics, national sovereignty, legal issues, and a lot of human emotions.
A Quick-Study of the Situation
Here is a wide-ranging list of some pertinent details that are in some way related:
  • Hong Kong holds that the Philippine government was negligent in how officials handled the situation, resulting in unnecessary deaths. Hong Kong demands an official apology from the Philippine government, cash payments to families, punishment of officials in charge, and clear steps to assure a repeat will not occur.
  • The Philippines (President Aquino) holds that the incident was the result of the hostage taker’s transgressions, and that Philippine officials responded the best that they could in a circumstance of considerable danger and unpredictability. The Philippines has expressed its regrets to the families of the slain tourists and offered financial remuneration to victims.
  • Yesterday, November 5, 2013, Hong Kong’s Chief Executive issued a 30-day ultimatum to the Philippines, essentially “do as we tell you or face sanctions.”
  • The bus scene was broadcast live by Philippine television stations. The hostage taker could see the approach of police from a television monitor on the bus.
  • The Philippines conducted an immediate, comprehensive investigation and shared its report directly with China. The report was highly critical of the handling of matters by Philippine authorities. Indeed, Filipinos generally consider the matter “bungled” by government and police officials. The investigative report recommended charges against 15 people or organizations.
  • China may have hardened Mr. Aquino’s stand by presenting a detailed list of instructions as to how the Philippines should deal with matters. Mr. Aquino considered the letter insulting. Hong Kong officials deny such a letter was sent.
  • Manila Mayor Estrada, seeking to diffuse a situation which serves neither Hong Kong nor the Philippines well, has tried to deliver an official apology from the City of Manila to Hong Kong, along with a promise of payments to families. Hong Kong declined to receive the apology and angrily re-iterated its demands.
  • Hong Kong is a part of China.
  • China and the Philippines are in a territorial dispute near Philippine coasts. The Philippines has taken the matter to the United Nations arbiter for resolution, over China’s objection.
  • China’s leaders refuse to visit the Philippines.
  • Racially demeaning slurs fly both directions in social commentary.
  • Hong Kong was accused by a human rights group in 2001 of racially discriminatory government acts toward foreign workers; Hong Kong defended itself by saying that proposals made by the organization would heighten racial discord.
  • Mayor Estrada is a member of UNA, a major political party running against President Aquino’s LP candidates and candidates of other parties aligned with LP.
What Do We Take from This?
This is not as simple as Hong Kong would make it. “You messed up. Apologize, pay up and jail some people. Prove it won’t happen again.”
Some things are obvious:
  • First and foremost, the matter was tragic for the Hong Kong families. No question.
  • Second, there is no question as to who murdered, or caused the killing of, Hong Kong tourists. The hostage taker.
  • Third, there is no question as to the poor handling of the matter by Philippine government officials and police.
The facts are clear, the investigations done, the matter understood.
To the extent that there are enduring issues, they pertain more to the relationship between Hong Kong – or China – and the Philippines than they do regarding the particulars of what happened.
The Philippine government is not without compassion, and has expressed its regrets to the families of those killed and injured. Certainly, no Philippine official WANTED this tragedy to occur. That innocence of motive, and the forthright self-examination undertaken by the Philippines, seems to have escaped the Chinese.
The incident remains hurtful as long as the matter is not laid to rest. The matter is laid to rest in the Philippines, officially, but not in Hong Kong, officially.
One can surmise that if the situation were reversed, Hong Kong officials would take essentially the same position as the Philippines has taken. It is the appropriate stance to take to protect sovereignty and legal rights. And, of course, if the situation were reversed, Filipinos would be outraged at Hong Kong’s refusal to apologize and there would be rallies in protest in the Philippines.
A neutral observer would argue that the matter should go to an international court for resolution, but no such steps have been taken. When the Philippines took China to the international arbiter over territorial rights, China objected angrily. One can imagine the same reaction if the Hong Kong matter were taken by the Philippines to an international arbiter for resolution. The Chinese do not respect such venues and are not willing to subjugate their national interests to other states or international courts.
Yet Hong Kong expects the Philippines to subjugate her national interests to Hong Kong.
As with the island territorial dispute, there is only one resolution that is acceptable to Hong Kong. The one that Hong Kong – that China – wants.
The Philippines could diffuse the anger by bowing to Hong Kong’s demands, but doing so would:
  • suggest there was a willful negligence rather than incompetence,
  • set a precedent of legal and financial obligation for future incidents that had tragic results,
  • infringe on sovereign decisions of the Philippine state,
  • risk encouraging Chinese adventurism (China seeing the Philippines as weak).
Clearly, diplomatic restraint is not a hallmark of Hong Kong’s approach. One cannot help but reflect back on Taiwan’s outsized outrage against the Philippines regarding the killing of a Taiwanese fisherman by Philippine Coast Guard troops. BEFORE the Philippines or Taiwan had investigated the incident.
Another Disturbing Time
This Chinese attitude of superior morality, superiority of act and perspective, reminds me of the United States in the 1960′s when many whites claimed superiority over other races, and government laws supported the view. When white racial stereotypes, bigotry and laws were challenged in the 1960′s, the white response in some parts of the country was anger. Much like the Chinese who relentlessly voice a loud disgust, disdain and condemnation of Philippine’s acts.
It was an ugly time in the U.S.
Blacks who did not behave were punished, sometimes in the courts, sometimes vigilante style. There was only one race that determined what was correct. It was white. Blacks were instructed to:
  • Drink from the black drinking fountains.
  • Visit the black bathrooms.
  • Sit in the back of the bus.
  • Stay out of our white schools.
Heroes emerged from the fracas, from the push-back by black Americans. Perhaps the two most notable were Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks (cover photo).
Rosa Parks changed the world the day that she decided she deserved to sit in the front of the bus, no matter what happened.
Is China Racist?
Clearly there is an ugliness to what is going on in the seas between China and her neighbors.
There is an edginess, a hostility to Chinese behavior that is disturbing. The Taiwan incident. The Hong Kong incident. The conflict over islands. China demands. Demands. Demands. Insults, condemns, expresses outrage and demands.
Disturbing.
Clearly, the Philippines is not behaving the way China wants.
Should the Philippines “behave”?
I have written elsewhere, and cited literature, that China’s history is steeped in disdain for the darker natives who inhabit lands across the seas. This is an aspect of her “Middle Earth” perspective, being the center of all that is right and important about the world.
Well, it is unnecessary here to make that kind of distasteful observation, of racism. I know too many Chinese in the United States who are educated and intelligent and not at all racist. And I know that the Chinese in the U.S. were sorely discriminated against in the 1800′s when the railroads were built substantially with Chinese sweat labor. So it cuts both ways.
So I won’t lift the heavy finger of racism here. The Chinese thuggery very likely emanates from its military cadre. They certainly issue the most racially tinged threats. And perhaps it is merely their authoritarian bent that needs to be brought into a better diplomatic line by Chinese leaders.
So perhaps it is enough to say that China – and Hong Kong – and Taiwan – display a similar striking disregard for the independence and sovereignty of neighbor states, and particularly of the Philippines.
Where is the diplomatic restraint that gives credit to the Philippines for wanting to right its wrongs, for wanting to punish those who acted illegally or rashly in the bus incident? Or credits the Philippines for being forthright and candid with her investigation. Where is the respect for the Philippines as a separate, independent, sovereign state?
The current mantra from Hong Kong is “an apology is not enough.” It is the tenor of an adult lecturing a child.
Such offensive demands.
Why Mayor Estrada Is Wrong
Mayor Estrada’s goals are honorable:
  • Get this problem behind us.
  • Build a harmonious commercial, tourism and OFW relationship with neighbor Hong Kong.
  • Protect Filipino workers in Hong Kong.
There are pragmatic reasons why it is wrong:
  • It establishes a precedence of guilt for future government acts that, through the acts of criminal or unstable minds, end up tragically.
  • It risks encouraging Chinese adventurism by showing the Philippines as weak.
  • It undermines the President’s firm stance which protects the sovereignty of the Philippines in its broader resistance against Chinese territorial expansion. (It is akin to VP Binay’s going outside the chain of command to try to strike a peace agreement in Zamboaga.)
I’m inclined not to read political manipulations into the Mayor’s acts. I believe he wants a cure, plain and simple.
But here’s my real objection.
Mayor Estrada would have the Philippines move to the back of the bus. As if we are to know our superiors, and respect their demands.
No.
It is up to China – and Hong Kong – and Taiwan – to respect Philippine good faith, good intent, and straight dealing. It is up to the Chinese to grant the Philippines the right to exist as a self-determined state of laws and good will.
The appropriate neutral ground for a dispute is an international arbiter. Resolution of the dispute cannot come from Hong Kong over the sovereign rights of the Philippine state to manage her own affairs.
President Aquino’s insistence on a firm, law-based approach is offensive to the Chinese. As was Rosa Park’s insistence that she be allowed to sit in the front of the bus, to whites.
Indeed, standing on principle presents risks. The Philippines risks the well-being of Filipino workers in Hong Kong, innocents caught up in the unrestrained emotions of the Chinese. In the mob reaction fueled by a Chinese press that is almost as obnoxious as her military leaders. And the Philippines risks another tear in the relationship between China and the Philippines.
But what does it say to Asia – indeed, to the world – if the Philippines moves to the back of the bus, as instructed by China?
As it was in 1963, so it is in 2013, exactly fifty years later. It is the principle that matters.
It is important that China learn that all states stand equal, one to the other. It would be even better if China could somehow comprehend that her leadership in Asia can best come by DEFENDING her neighbors’ sovereign rights and territorial claims, not attacking them.
Short of that kind of renewed insight, the Philippines must do what the Philippines must do. In a respectful world filled with independent and earnest sovereign states, the Philippines determines where she sits.
Not China.
Comments
170 Responses to “Why Mayor Estrada Is Wrong on Hong Kong”
  1. Alvin says:
    I think Filipinos who want the Philippine government to just apologize and get this over with are looking at this issue with a short-term view. Pres Aquino is looking at this with a longer-term view, the way a leader should. We’ve been buried in too much crap because of the short-sightedness of our officials for so long … we should not be afraid to take the more difficult path towards progress and it starts with a change in mindset.
    • Whatever Aquino is looking at, he is definitely not a practitioner of looking at anything in the long term. His short sightedness, vindictive rule has been the bane of the country.
      Admitting guilt and responsibility are things he will never do. He will blame it someone else, lie, or totally ignore it, rather than admit it was his fault. The hostage crisis, DAP are cases in point
      He bungled the situation, apoligize for it. It’s not sitting at the back of the bus, it’s owning up.
      • homerspirit says:
        True! Jojo! So true!
      • Ben Reyes says:
        When do we ascribe an act of lawlessness as a fault of any President? People who have not supported the President will always remain critical of the President no matter what he does. Facts remain as stated above. Facts will also show that the President is doing a good job in managing the country’s affairs. At the rate he’s going, the President will be judged by the Filipino people as being on the side of the good and just leaders this nation had the pleasure of having.
        • homerspirit says:
          Nobody said this act of lawlessness is the act of the current president. And yes we should be critical of him, after all he is allowing out hard earned taxpayer’s money go to his very own pocket and the pockets of his cohorts. Corona impeachment incentives. At the rate he’s going he’s plunging us deeper into the pits of hell. Noynoy or his clan clearly only cares for the welfare and secure future of their bank accounts. They have trillions probably quadrillions in the bank anyway.
          • Jayson says:
            I beg to disagree Jojo
          • The act of lawlessness he was mentioning was that of the rogue police officer. The only thing keeping our government’s money from total corruption by the Congress is the good leadership of President Aquino commanding the DBM, COA and Ombudsman to ensure accountability. Compared to the Past presidents he is a breath of fresh air. Please see things a little more positively.
      • Kwasee says:
        I disagree, Jojo. Not as a statement of approval for P-noy, but as a stand against the bullying of China.
        • Kwasee says:
          My gosh, the issue isn’t even about Pnoy. As you, I am a critic of the administration yet when we are faced with a common adversary where do you stand? I choose to be a Filipino and I think you should too, by setting aside your crab mentality for an instant.
      • meegikwang says:
        False! Jojo! So false!
        Unlike Jojo, Noynoy is aware of the so many corruptions committed by Gloria. And where is Gloria now? Contrary to what most people believe, she is still not in jail. She is taking her sweet time in Veterans Hospital until a Pandak-friendly president replaces Noynoy in 2016. Believe me, when that happens, she will miraculously become healthy and her first agenda after checking out of hospital is to get a luxurious spa in Tagaytay.
        Below are just some of the known corruptions done by Pandak:
        1. NBN ZTE Scandal
        2. Millions of bribe money to Congressmen and Governors (October 2007)
        3. Cheating in 2004 Elections (HELLO GARCI)
        4. Joc Joc Bolante Case (Fertilizer Scam, P728 Million)
        5. JOSE PIDAL Bank Account (Unexplained Wealth, P200 Million)
        6. NANI PEREZ Power Plant Deal ($2 Million)
        7. Use of Road User’s Tax for Campaigning
        8. Billion Peso Macapagal Boulevard (Overprice of P532 Million)
        9. Juetengate? (Illegal Numbers game kickbacks)
        10. Extra Judicial Killings
        11. Arroyo Moneys in Germany (Exposed by Senator Cayetano)
        12. General GARCIA and Other Military Men
        13. Billion Peso Poll Automation contract to(Mega Pacific) (P1.3 Billion)
        14. Northrail Project($503 Million)
        15. Maguindanao Results of 2007 Elections (ZUBIRI, BEDOL)
        16. NAIA-3
        17. Venable Contract (Norberto Gonzales)
        18. Swine Scam (Exposed by? Atty. Harry Roque
        19. GLORIA Arroyo son hidden assets in united states
        20. EURO GENERAL’S
        21. CALAMITY FUND SCANDAL.
        22. C-5 road controversy — Senator Manuel Villar
        23.P550-million worth of funds from the Overseas Workers’ Welfare Administration (OWWA).
        24. P780-million LWUA funds-PROSPERO PICHAY
        25. BISHOPS’s SUV-Gloria Birthday gift
        26. Arroyo linked in P325M lotto intelligence fund
        27. Arroyo got P200M in kickbacks from govt projects-Zaldy Ampatuan
        28. P200.41 billion or $4.6 billion in Malampaya royalties from 2002 to May this year.
        29.LACSON ACCUSED FG MIKE ARROYO OF SELLING 3 REFURBISHED HELICOPTERS TO PNP AT P105 MILLION EACH
        30. 600, 000 metric tons of Rotten rice imported from India.Kishore Hemlani, an Indian trader allegedly close to Arroyo, reportedly bagged the P9.5 billion contract for the rice importation.
        31. DATO ARROYO wife bought the condo unit for $570, 000, 70-square-meter one-bedroom, one bathroom unit (Unit No. 533) at the luxury high-rise, full-service Gramercy Towers located at 1177 California St. in upscale downtown San Francisco.
        32.- P50-million bribe to FG for the president’s veto of two franchise bills
        33. The additional funding led to a 41-percent spike in advertising expenses, from P76.129 million in 2008 to P107.420 million in 2009, which went mostly to ads for Arroyo’s achievements.
        34. The report said the PIA received from the Department of Budget and Management a notice of cash allocations amounting to P344.789 million, even though only P222.488 million was appropriated for it under the national budget.
        35.- Denial of pork barrel funds to Malacanang’s political enemies
        36.- Praises for Jovito Palparan, alleged mastermind of extra judicial killings of militants
        37.- Removal of govt bodyguards for former pres and Arroyo critic, Cory Aquino
        38.- Appointment of manicurist as a member of the board of Pag-Ibig
        39. Appointment of gardener as deputy of the Luneta Park Administration.
        40. MIDNIGHT APPOINTMENT of an Arroyo, RENATO CORONA, as SC Chief Justice 200+ other illegal midnight appointments
        41.- MIKEY ARROYO’s undeclared properties in California
        42.- Pardon of controversial convicted criminals like Ninoy’s murderers
        43.- EO 464; requiring Cabinet members to seek presidential clearance before testifying in Congress hearings
        44.- Promise (on Rizal Day) to not run for the presidency in 2004
        45.- “Vote Buying” by giving away Philhealth cards
        46.- Taxpayers’ money for her giant billboards and and PCSO tv campaign ads[/b]
        47- Appointment of Ben Abalos, a staunch GMA ally, as COMELEC chair
        48.- Mikey Arroyo’s importation of 32 thoroughbred horses from Australia worth P384 million.
        49.Former First Gentleman Mike Arroyo used 2 choppers 16 times, son Mikey 69
        50.PAGCOR spent P1 BILLION (1,000 million equivalent) on coffee
        51.Jose Miguel Arroyo owned helicopters’ all Robinson R44 Raven Is with Series Nos. 1370 to 1374. A total of $1, 423, 025 was paid to Lionair for the five helicopters.
        52.Pagcor ‘pabaon’ to Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo: P345M
        53.The godmother’s ties to the Pinedas(Jueteng lord)
        54. Illegal Joint Venture Exploration in Spratly Islands with the Chinese government in 2004. Up to now, no official reports were released about the exploration of Spratly Islands.
      • Heiress says:
        HEY, Jojo Castillo! You better read and read and read again the well written article of Joe America, “Filipinos Should Not Move to the Back of the Bus”before you open your reckless mouth again. :(
      • Raoul Loreto says:
        me think you should shut up with your battered mind, better study/analyze your nationalistic behavior. if you hate aquino, then do so, but look at how this country should put better life to the filipinos and not to the chinese
      • As a Filipino, I won’t apologize to Hongkong or China. If President Aquino will apologize, then this country will continue to bully and threaten us.
      • lemuel says:
        go fuck yourself jojo, are you a filipino?
  2. Norma says:
    Thank you Mr. Joe America. I support Pres. Aquino’s stance on this issue.
  3. susana bacani says:
    I hope that media, specially those who questions the act of the Philippine president, must read this article to enlighten their mind before they say a word. specially abs-cbn who always speak as if they knows everything.
  4. homerspirit says:
    I agree with the article that HK, being under China is bullying the Philippines, specially with the territorial disputes. And yes, we are weak, if the writer is strictly speaking about armed resistance over China’s sophisticated army. And why is another story. The Philippine government committed a grave mistake over the handling of the Luneta hostage massacre. This was broadcast real time all over the world and put our country in a shameful situation. It was clear from the onset that the hostage taker was willing to negotiate and our leaders didn’t know to do the right thing. And Aquino was a few blocks away from where the hostage taking was happening, so, what wonders did he do for us here or in anything else? Nada. Aquino should man up and apologize. Apologizing doesn’t automatically mean sitting at the back of the bus. Apologizing for a mistake you clearly made is being man about it. I am Filipino and will proudly die as one but I am also human and I have compassion for those who are offended and hurt, much more massacred.
    • Edizon says:
      The innocence of motive is not parallel to an apology. The Philippines has showed sympathy and regret over a situation even Pres Aquino has no control over with. His presence at the incident doesn’t make Him more suitable to negotiate and intervene with the hostage taking. This is a one person’s fault, and a sovereign nation has no obligation to do an apology.
      • homerspirit says:
        Doesn’t change the fact: the Philippine government bungled the situation. The President’s presence was not needed in the event but he was there. If he went there to watch why even bother? Defend Aquino all you want but a mistake is a mistake and an apology is in order. The sovereignty of the Philippines is not the issue here but our relationship with other countries is being put in jeopardy.
        • AlwaysHopeful says:
          But if you read the article you’d understand that there is more at stake than merely “our relationship with other countries.” We need their respect more than anything. If we submit ourselves to what HK demands then what we’re showing is a weakness that they, as well as other countries, can undermine and do what they will with us. I believe the the President is doing the right thing. He’s thinking of what’s best for the country in the long term. This is a short term repercussion but if you really take the time to think about it, it’ll be nothing compared to what could potentially happen if he did apologize.
          I think we find it so easy to judge the president because we aren’t in his shoes. How would we ever know what it feels like to have a whole country as your responsibility? I don’t think we give Aquino half the credit he deserves. We continue to mock him, ridicule him, and criticize his choices… but then again don’t we do that for everyone who WE, mind you, put into power to begin with?
          And why should we appease HK? Because we think they’re important or better than that, is that it? Why don’t WE, as Filipinos, put OURSELVES first this time around? Everyone who is so against this is thinking of what other people are thinking of us, again. We need to stop wanting to please other people and start thinking of our nation first. Look past all your disdain for Aquino and try to see that he’s trying to do the right thing. I’m not saying that he’s right all the time. This is besides the PDAF and Corona problems. Try to isolate his decisions. They’re not all some ruse of selfishness.
          And for those saying that Aquino is always just displacing the blame on other people and not “owning up to it”…. there we go again. We’re so quick to judge. Like I said before, it’s difficult to make a decision for the betterment of a whole nation. So no, I don’t think that Aquino is trying to save face by refusing to apologize, because if I remember correctly, HK is asking Aquino to apologize on behalf of the COUNTRY to himself. He did not want that hostage crisis to happen, no decent human being would.
          Di we make a mistake in terms of handling it? Hell yes. Our media was unethical about the whole situation and didn’t help at all. But I believe that the police and our government had every intent to get all those passengers off of that bus alive.
          We have shown remorse, we have given support to the affected families, but succumbing to every little thing that HK wants is just a game of power play and they want to see if we’ll bite and allow them to take control.
          Aquino made the right decision to hold our ground. Erap, as much as he wanted to help, shouldn’t have issued that apology. It just shows we’re weak as a country and not one as a government. That’s the real issue here. He shouldn’t have interfered with something he has no authority to interfere with to begin with, no matter how altruistic his motives were.
          • Mar Ignacio says:
            Thumbs up!. “Small at specific issues”- sad to say this is still the same trait that many of those who have commented here, have shown. Read little, comment big, my goodness!
          • reanpaulgotinga@yahoo.com says:
            @alwayshopeful
            PEOPLE DIEd because of phil govts poor and incompetent handling of this incident..if a person died in the hands of someone because of his incompetence, he can be taken to court and possibly serve time. they are only asking for apology and remuneration, and these are very reasonable and appropriate demands which should have been honoured and should have been the immediate action back then. we are not judging noynoy, he has done and made a lot of good decisions but he can make mistakes too and this is one of them. its alright to make mistake, this doesn’t make him a bad president but if he continues delaying this issue unresolved, then its going to be possibly one of his very costly errors. I hope he will do THE RIGHT THING and that is to send the long overdue apology. its not weakness to ask for apology, he will be the man of morals and honour.
  5. Flor Male says:
    long article but definitely worth my time. i stand for my country. we, Filipinos, should learn to stand up and make a step forward. each one of us has the responsibility to protect our nation. for Estrada, he’s a traditional politician, what do you expect from him? i am not an Aquino loyalist, but i think he is fair in his decision. it’s time, we as Filipinos, to love and serve our country. no one else will …
  6. independence says:
    1. The Philippine government had already expressed regret and condolences to the families of the victims.
    2. The Philippine government had already offered $75,000 to the family of each victim.
    3. Hongkong is not an independent country, it’s just part of China. In diplomatic view, this is a mere city asking demands from a sovereign country. A mayor demanding from a president or a king. Which is absurd.
  7. Cesar Olegario says:
    All the reasons cited by Mr. America are all well taken. I do agree with Mr. Aquino’s stance on the matter and enough is enough. If there is one person who should apologize I believe it should be the one who orchestrated all the actions taken by the police authorities.
  8. pinkangel says:
    President Aquino is the only president in present times who never bowed to any bullying from other countries, specially China. He is the kind of president who fights for the freedom and sovereignty of his very own country, never leaving the ideals and virtues of a true President and a Filipino.
    • Emil Aco says:
      This is a very simple issue. Why make it complicated? By all means let us apologize to HK, pay the victims, 4 times the amount they wanted, then let us work hard as a country so that in 20 years time we become progressive and militarily strong country. Then by that time we can SPIT on these arrogant HK people!!
      • homerspirit says:
        I agree, Emil. I am also one Proud Filipino, i refuse to bow to other nations but if I commit a mistake I can also admit it and apologize for it. If the president they are defending is teally thinking of the Filipinos and not his ego, the country would be in a better situation now rather than submerged in corruption and deception. It’s all about himself for Noynoy.
        • Fanny says:
          I agree as well. I respect the author’s point of view however apologizing does not equal to being bullied and being seated at the back of the bus. What Hong Kong demands is an apology from the President, representing the Philippine government and not the people of the Philippines itself (as to paraphrase what the representative of HK has said: We demand an apology from the Philippine government and not the people of the Philippines as they did not commit any harm to the situation).
          We need to start owning up to our flaws and mistakes. Apologizing does not mean that we are weak, it means to admit that the Philippines has a weak government system in itself, and that we accept that we need to build a better system internally.
          • Mark says:
            HK might be saying they demand an apology from the PH government only, but I think behind it they are including all Filipinos: the Chinese or people from HK are bullying “Filipinos” in their land as if the incident was “their” direct fault. HK now removing visa-free for Filipinos. HK wants to sanction trades. etc etc… What I see here is HK is after the entire PH, not just it’s government. So if we kiss their a**es and do what they want, it is the entire PH that will suffer in the future, not just with HK/China but from other countries who will use this as a weapon to make us weaker.
            I believe the author is right that this should be taken to an international neutral ground.
          • Kyut Katz says:
            WE have made the apology but what HK did?
            “Hong Kong declined to receive the apology and angrily re-iterated its demands.”
            Is this line missed by a lot from this forum??? they are playing their cards well, we should start to do it as well. How many OFW’s were killed with the hands of these HK nationals, Have we taken our stand and let THEIR President and their nation APOLOGIES????
            It happened in Manila..a Mayor is taking his actions (not that I’m supporting it 100%) but it definitely shows that an apology, an ACTUAL APOLOGY will never appease HONGKONG. They would let us do it, and then MOCK us again. Then, what a President’s apology be of difference? They wanted us to kneel? And they wanted the Head of State? Re-examine your stand…re-examine their (HK) motives…re-examine Mr President’s action. Then, comment again on how you want to end this.
            Oh, by the way….as how HK plays it…they don’t want to end this. They just want the piece of us, Filipinos. and they want All of us die with a heavy heart…So go ahead let them do that to us.
      • MMA says:
        Yes, simple indeed. But if you’re carrying the minds of over 96+ million Filipino people, it doesn’t come easy. The fact that we’ve already given them the utmost sympathy and regrets in the past, why repeat it again? It’ll only make us look abysmal and underdog. And to say that this bus massacre has nothing to do with territorial disputes is completely sightless.
        • homerspirit says:
          Facts: Apologizing is not a sign if weakness it is being man enough to own up to your mistakes. The Phil gov’t committed a mistake un handling the situation. Innocent Hongkong nationals were killed. Why not apologize?
          • MMA says:
            No. Just no. It’s not his ego nor he’s being selfish but that’s what MOST of the Filipinos think that apologizing is not needed.
            If the current administration will issue an apology, are we going to get the same?
            Will they also apologize for stealing a chunk of our territory (which clearly belongs to us)?
  9. iamjoanni says:
    I respect the opinion on this article, though i think the usage of Rosa Park being the Philippines does not entirely correlate – why so? First, have Rosa Park – or her family, or anyone of her responsibility- commit a crime against whites? Blacks then were being bullied for no definite reason except their color. While, on the other hand, the Philippines – who was responsible to handle the hostage taking – did so. How? You may say, that it was not the president who killed those or it was not him who ordered that guy to hostage those tourist. Well, let us all get back and look at what triggered to hold a hostage in the first place – he was dismissed in his position due to a crime committed by one of his officials and since that person is under his supervision, even if he was a decorated police man, he was dismissed from his position. All Mendoza was pleading was to get his freakin job back – although his methods were wrong. If the President during that time stood up instead of hiding out of nowhere he could have eased up the situation and none of this would still be making news by now! And if we look up Mendoza’s case, technically, since he messed up, his superiors should be dismissed as well -PNP Officials, The President etc. People are saying that the president is looking at this in a long term point of view, really? How? We looking as arrogant for the next 20 years? Keeping our head up for a crime that was not our country is different when – 1) if it was 2)if we have the power and capability to fight them off. Lets just bow down. Say sorry for this mess and only this. It was the Philippines responsibility in the first place.
    • homerspirit says:
      They can defend Aquino all they want, even pay the press and buy PR spins but the fact remains. His ego comes before anything else. He doesn’t care for international sanctions because he has Trillions of pesos in his bank account. So why worry over ushapless Filipino slaves who work our asses off for their convenience? Apologize, Noynoy.
  10. JoeAM,
    Good stuff over all. In the natural shape of it all, it should be Beijing that ought to be negotiating, not Hong Kong since, HK is not a sovereign nation. In the same vein that Manila— as a city— doesn’t have rights to negotiate on behalf of the Philippine government with regard to this issue. Estrada is overstepping his authority.
    Is this, primarily a local matter to Hong Kong? I don’t know what the news stories are in Hong Kong or the politics involved there. Is this an election issue for example?
    That said, it is in my humble opinion that Chinese hegemony— Beijing–Taipei—Hong Kong— in the region ought to be challenged.
    • Kyut Katz says:
      You have said it right….HK is not a sovereign nation, then all the more Estrada is their match…Just saying LOGICALLY
  11. Very well-said..it is a very blatant attempt by the master (CHINA) ordering its minion (HONGKONG) to bully and insult the sovereignty of a much weaker (militarily) country to force the Philippines to bow and follow China’s superpower whim and delusion..we Filipinos must not let this Asian bully to underestimate and spit on our spirit and pride as a nation..we support PNoy’s stance in this issue..LONG LIVE the FILIPINO PRIDE!!!
  12. Juan says:
    thank you Joe.
    Well written and great analogy.
    I wonder if China will apologize to the Philippines or renumerate the Filipino victims of the Tianamen bombing.
  13. reanpaulgotinga@yahoo.com says:
    agree…phil govt should have apologised straight away. there was ABSOLUTELY mishandling and incompetence on their part..asking for apology doesn’t equate to being weak…it was the right thing to do, people died regardless of what their race was. they have been waiting long enough, they’ve been pushed beyond the bounds of their patience…three years and still nothing was happening. lets not promote twisted patriotism here…ITS the RIGHT THING to do.
    • reanpaulgotinga@yahoo.com says:
      lets not digress, lets just put resolution to this coz this unfortunate incident should have closure by now !
    • Fanny says:
      I completely agree. Apologizing is simply the right thing to do. It does not mean being bullied. We have to stand up for ourselves not by declining to issue a public apology, but rather by using this situation as a lesson to further improve our government system.
    • Kyut Katz says:
      WE have made the apology but what HK did?
      “Hong Kong declined to receive the apology and angrily re-iterated its demands.”
      Is this line missed by a lot from this forum??? they are playing their cards well, we should start to do it as well. How many OFW’s were killed with the hands of these HK nationals, Have we taken our stand and let THEIR President and their nation APOLOGIES????
      It happened in Manila..a Mayor is taking his actions (not that I’m supporting it 100%) but it definitely shows that an apology, an ACTUAL APOLOGY will never appease HONGKONG. They would let us do it, and then MOCK us again. Then, what a President’s apology be of difference? They wanted us to kneel? And they wanted the Head of State? Re-examine your stand…re-examine their (HK) motives…re-examine Mr President’s action. Then, comment again on how you want to end this.
      Oh, by the way….as how HK plays it…they don’t want to end this. They just want the piece of us, Filipinos. and they want All of us die with a heavy heart…So go ahead let them do that to us.
  14. wanoy says:
    Right on!!
    Why would the Philippine Government apologize on that terrorist act if China didn’t apologize on the terrorist act that killed a Filipino doctor’s family that happened under the Chinese ruled land.just recently. Did the Filipino’s even heard about it? No,because it was blacked out from us.that is how dubious they are.
    NO APOLOGY FROM THE PHILIPPINES.
    We can’t bow down to a country that looks down on us.
    • kish says:
      We should not make an Apology! ESTRADA’s (ERAP+JINGOY=SCAMS) SHOULD FIRST MAKE AN APOLOGY TO THE FILIPINOS… They don’t have MORAL ASCENDANCY making believe that they will be HEROES for FILIPNOS, they will never be-… HISTORY WILL TELL US WHY… MR PRESIDENT! heed on… we will fully support you…
    • Kyut Katz says:
      AGREE
  15. Marilou Tojon says:
    An apology. When you commit a mistake; you should apologize. When you did not handle the situation with intelligence, common sense and the way it should be; you apologize.
    We were taught in school to pay respect to people and one way of doing is by talking. Saying “Sorry” is one way of showing respect to others that “They regret what happened, it should not have happened and it will never happen”
    Philippines.. Is that so difficult?? You are saying that others like China are looking down on you. China do not. It is you, yourself, the “Pinoys” are doing so for others to look down on you. China is not a racist country. They themselves are being racially discriminated by other countries like US, UK and Australia. The Chinese people have a harmonious relationship with Filipinos that’s why there are a lot of Chinese in the Philippines and as well as Filipinos in China.
    Why is Singapore so clean, discipline and a strong nation? Why is Japan rises from a garbage shit after WWII becoming the 2nd world economy in Asia and 3rd powerhouse in the world. Why has China become the 2nd world economy as well as powerhouse military in the world?
    ANSWER: Humility, acceptance, will & actions! NOT ARROGANCE and feeling important!!!
    Please also check on reanpaulgotinga@yahoo.com comment. Very well said. This kind of people who reacted this way has a bright future on them. Thank you Rean Paul and sorry for not asking permission to include you on this writing. I respect you.
    • Fanny says:
      Yes, I agree. I think that the Philippines lacks humility in many aspects. We do not own up to our mistakes and I think that is one of the key reasons why our country does not progress very well.
    • Kyut Katz says:
      WE have made the apology but what HK did?
      “Hong Kong declined to receive the apology and angrily re-iterated its demands.”
      Is this line missed by a lot from this forum??? they are playing their cards well, we should start to do it as well. How many OFW’s were killed with the hands of these HK nationals, Have we taken our stand and let THEIR President and their nation APOLOGIES????
      It happened in Manila..a Mayor is taking his actions (not that I’m supporting it 100%) but it definitely shows that an apology, an ACTUAL APOLOGY will never appease HONGKONG. They would let us do it, and then MOCK us again. Then, what a President’s apology be of difference? They wanted us to kneel? And they wanted the Head of State? Re-examine your stand…re-examine their (HK) motives…re-examine Mr President’s action. Then, comment again on how you want to end this.
      Oh, by the way….as how HK plays it…they don’t want to end this. They just want the piece of us, Filipinos. and they want All of us die with a heavy heart…So go ahead let them do that to us.
  16. chao-wei says:
    For me, I think an apology by the City of Manila is worthy, but an apology from the President of the Philippines is too much. The President is right to stand his ground on this issue, and it is right for Erap to apologize to Hong Kong.
    Why?
    Because the apology of the City of Manila to the Special Government of Hong Kong has no diplomatic repercussions whatsoever. It is simply an act of goodwill. If, however, the President is going to apologize (and he must needs apologize to Beijing, not to Hong Kong), that will mean effectively what JoeAm says: the Philippines being bullied into submission by China.
  17. NO APOLOGY FOR THAT BULLY!!! CHINA… one sided nation… Erap… the idiot and double face politician have no rights to that… he’s not doing that for the country.. he’s doing that for the politics… that empty coconut shell TRAPO… that’s a treason… the president of the Philippines should file case against him for what they done.. there in Hongkong… The president should stand firm for what he said before… WE HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW THEM… it is our country and it is our policy… we should follow what the commander in chief told us ( ERAP as public official knew that but still he disobeyed the instruction of the president). Lately there is a act of terrorism in TIANAMEN SQUARE BEIJING… filipino doctor killed but they not made an apology to the Phillipines… WHY? Because we are WEAK( MILITARILY WEAK)… WAKE UP FILIPINO… my support is with you Mr. President Aquino…
  18. defender says:
    Some Facts
    1. The Philippines already expressed its condolences to the families of the victim. They even declared August 25 as a National Day of Mourning as a sign of respect.
    2. The Philippine government already offered a $75,000 compensation for EACH victim’s family. That is a LOT compared to the compensation received by a Filipino soldier or a policeman’s family if they are killed (which is only about $2,000)
    3. Hongkong is only a city, the Philippines is a sovereign country. Thus, the head of Hongkong does not have the diplomatic right to directly call and make demands to the PRESIDENT of the Philippines as if they are equal. Let China do that.
    4. In 2005, Mr. and Mrs Madrigal, filipino tourists, was hacked to death in Tianmen square in China in front of their children. Also In 2013, a Filipina doctor, also a tourist, was killed and her family injured when a burning vehicle driven by alleged chinese terrorists crashed into them.
    Did China apologized ? Did they even offered compensation ? NO!
    Why the double standard ? If China cant protect their tourists then why blame the Philippines for this isolated incident ?
    5. Hongkong’s retaliation by punishing 100,000 innocent Filipino domestic helpers won’t solve anything. It’s nothing but bullying tactics aimed at the wrong targets.
    • Marilou Tojon says:
      Our topic here is APOLOGY. If you have watch how the Philippine government with its police force and military responded to the hostage crisis.. then react.
      There are MANY chances the situation should have solve peacefully without blood shed. In addition; critical situations should not be aired on TV and with that; the killer saw how the police is making their move to get him.
      SIMPLE. JUST CUT THE BULL SHIT OUT and apology and everything should have been already on tract of business again. PRIDE, DIGNITY & FREEDOM. Check what is the Philippines right now.
      CLAIMING the pride and democracy after revolution on 1986:
      * Is the country in better state right now?
      * Is graft & corruption minimize?
      * Did the present administration promise to reform the land for the poor?
      * Are the politicians very honest in dealing all the cases to the Filipino people?
      * Are the POOR getting better after 1986? 1992? 1998? 2010? 2013? 27 years after 1986?
      Who’s bullying who? Who’s discrimination who? Who’s fooling who?
      • homerspirit says:
        True. It’s just an apology. It’s not a sign of weakness. It’s just saying we are sorry this had to happen to your countrymen under our watch. It’s not bowing down to a bully. It’s actuallynsaying we are equals and we committed a mistake please accept our sorry. We don’t have to interpret it in another way.
        • Marilou Tojon says:
          Very well said homerspirit and its very simple. If the Philippines or its president have already apologize then Hong Kong government still doesn’t accept it and making a big deal out of it, that’s another thing.
          I was once told by a Chinese… and there is a saying goes… To translate it. “Make big problems small. Make small problems to none.”
          What the Philippines stance is making things more complicated and complex. Go on… Go on Philippines. I see where this country will head on. United in being pride and corrupt… That’s what I see. That’s what the mojority sees. That’s the reality!
          • Kyut Katz says:
            We are the one that’s prologing this OR them (HK)
            WE have made the apology but what HK did?
            “Hong Kong declined to receive the apology and angrily re-iterated its demands.”
            Is this line missed by a lot from this forum??? they are playing their cards well, we should start to do it as well. How many OFW’s were killed with the hands of these HK nationals, Have we taken our stand and let THEIR President and their nation APOLOGIES????
            It happened in Manila..a Mayor is taking his actions (not that I’m supporting it 100%) but it definitely shows that an apology, an ACTUAL APOLOGY will never appease HONGKONG. They would let us do it, and then MOCK us again. Then, what a President’s apology be of difference? They wanted us to kneel? And they wanted the Head of State? Re-examine your stand…re-examine their (HK) motives…re-examine Mr President’s action. Then, comment again on how you want to end this.
            Oh, by the way….as how HK plays it…they don’t want to end this. They just want the piece of us, Filipinos. and they want All of us die with a heavy heart…So go ahead let them do that to us.
        • Kyut Katz says:
          Hmmm apology to you YES…but what is apology to them (HK)??? you better ask it yourself…you may have regrets of pushing yourself to say sorry.
          By the way, it’s us who is saying sorry here, Mr President is just a representative.
      • Kyut Katz says:
        If indeed the topic is apology….we tried to make those people live….but what how about them (HK) have they tried to protect us from their own? DOUBLE STANDARD…are you really a Filipino? Ms Marilou Tojon
      • defender says:
        An official “apology” between countries is not just some “I’m sorry, we’re friends now.” conversation mind you. It has a LOT of diplomatic and legal implications. It will allow international lawsuits against the country and every time a crime/accident happens then it will be a legal precedent so EVERYONE can sue the country.
        Again, the Philippines had already expressed its condolences and shown how sorry it is for the incident. It has also offered a decent compensation to the victims’ families. Furthermore, the City of Manila, where the incident happened, had already issued a formal apology.
        Why ask an apology from an ENTIRE COUNTRY ? when the isolated incident is caused by a single mad man.
        Tourists DIE EVERYDAY around the world. Filipino tourists died in China in 2005 and 2013 because of lack of security, did China issued an apology ? or even offered a compensation ? No.
        • reanpaulgotinga@yahoo.com says:
          the incident was a hostage situation, if this was handled competently our govt could have SAVED PEOPLES LIVES…all the other comparisons made were our own filipinos died in their shores were of different scenarios so there are no point of comparisons. if we didn’t do any measures against those govt not taking responsibilities then that’s our govt own shortcomings isn’t it ? why didn’t our govt demand remuneration and justice ?…Now, if after apology and the Chinese govt still doesn’t take that in a positive light then lets deal with the matter accordingly but we cant yet jump into conclusions that their reactions wont be a positive one. as to the apology being possibly taken as legal precedent, there is a way to avoid this, we just have to tread matters very carefully and consider every issues merits or counter merits and take it one step at a time . But first things first i think we have to begin in doing what is right, the immediate action should’ve been sending an apology. From here on out, the phil govt should increase their standards of governance, if not they will always find themselves in the international arena as a govt of no integrity and morals. We cant demand to be respected, respect is earned and if this is how we act which is by not taking ownership in our own faults then we will never get anywhere. if our govt will be taken to international court, we wont have to be afraid of such isnt it if we practice good and competent governance we will have sufficient merits to win a lawsuit. we can win if we have merits to win which is how it should be. That’s precisely why laws are being created and courts are existing, to enforce/uphold JUSTICE. Our govt should learn their lessons everytime such kind of events happen and they should implement measures so as to prevent the same mistakes happening in the future otherwise our country will never progress . We should always strive to do whats right, that’s should be the foundation of a good government. If we do what is right, they cant hold anything against us. they cant make threats of sanctions etc. we shouldn’t be the one to give them reason to make threats coz we resolve issues in a very timely manner. this issue had been unresolved unnecessarily far too long .
          • reanpaulgotinga@yahoo.com says:
            correction – *the immediate action should’ve been to send an apology ;-)
  19. Emy says:
    Well said. We are different in cultures and Hong Kong / China should also respect the decision of our President. The worrying bit for me is China holds a major key role in the United Nations. Why are they instilling hatred whereas they should be the first one instigating peace.
  20. For internal affairs and issue each citizen can stand and fight for what he believes is right. But when it comes to protecting the sovereignty of the country the Filipinos should be united.
  21. I am not into politics. But, my dad(who watch news daily) told me that president already say sorry before. Is saying it once enough? or should we have a 5 minutes telecast for this thing?
  22. Too much talk. Just apologize to Hongkong and save the Filipinos working there! Apologize also to the Filipino people for the Thievery of peoples money through DAP and PDAF.
    • Ask estrada, enrile, revilla, et al to apologize for their thievery of their PDAF. The thievery of the DAP? That is just a misdirection of the people involved with the PDAF scam and their cohorts. Can you show an iota of evidence that the DAP (from 2010 to the present) has not been used judiciously? You are probably referring to the years before 2010. Well, that’s another story altogether. haha.
  23. John Chua says:
    How many OFWs (overseas Filipino workers) meet their dimise in china, Hongkong or Taiwan while doing jobs? Will we also require the yellow race to apologize to the Filipinos due to the incompetence of their law enforcers? No one wants the bus shooting in Manila to happened, the only reason why Hongkong/china is exaggerating this event beyond proportions is because of one thing: territorial dispute over the west Philippine seas. China was surprised that a small (weak by China’s standard) country like the Philippines would not yield it’s territorial claims over the disputed seas despite all the economical and military intimidations of china. With all of China’s media propaganda, the Philippines was able to show the world what china is…. A typical school yard bully. As per Estrada’s apology to Hongkong, I think the intention is noble but the act is wrong. Estrada is just a mayor of Manila, he should follow the path of president of the Philippines towards this issue. Maybe Estrada is just trying to advance his political career, his act only reveals one thing….. He is not a good subordinate, and so he will not be an effective leader.
  24. tyt says:
    Very well said and couldn’t agree more. there wouldn’t be foreign policies / diplomacy if everything at state level can be resolved by a word of sorry. There’s more to it than meets the eye. Estrada could either be simply stupid, or smartly scheming his opponent’s downfall at the expense of the country’s repute.
  25. Bruce in Iloilo says:
    Rosa Parks and the Montgomery Bus Boycott began in 1955, the mid-50s, not the 60s. Civil Rights Movement, Desegregation, and the rest began in the 50s, under Pres. Eisenhower, and reached its peak then, with its final culmination with national legislation in the early 60s under Pres. Johnson.
  26. The Mouse says:
    The perennial question is:
    Why are they SUDDENLY demanding these AFTER 3 years? It would have been more acceptable if they were demanding these and threatening sanctions right after the incident.
    I am highly suspicious that the REAL motive behind this is for HK to remind the Philippines that it is inferior to it.
    I Hope your doing fine amid the wacky supertyphoon
    Which makes me thing, will HK still throw these stupidity now that the Philippines has more pressing issues other than kissing Hong Kongs ass?

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