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U.S. Navy deploys new reconnaissance planes (P-8A) to Japan By Jamie Crawford, CNN



U.S. Navy deploys new reconnaissance planes to Japan
A P-8A Poseidon aircraft takes off from Naval Air Station Jacksonville on November 29.
December 2nd, 2013
12:52 PM ET

U.S. Navy deploys new reconnaissance planes to Japan

By Jamie Crawford
The U.S. Navy has deployed two of its next-generation reconnaissance aircraft to Japan, a long-planned move that comes amid controversy over Chinese air defenses.
Designed to enhance the Navy's long-range maritime patrol capability, the P-8A Poseidon's specialty is submarine detection, the Navy said. The planes flew from Norfolk, Virginia, to Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, in recent days.
The P-8A Poseidon also is part of the Navy's effort to phase out the P-3C Orion. It is more technologically advanced than its predecessor and can fly higher with a crew of up to nine. It also can carry torpedoes, cruise missiles, bombs and mines.
While the Navy rebalances resources in the Pacific, the arrival of the aircraft comes at a time of heightened tension in the region with China's imposition of an air defense identification zone in the East China Sea.

The United States, Japan and South Korea have recently operated their own military flights through the zone to test the Chinese, and the new planes add additional monitoring ability in a busy region.
The Navy said the new deployment was not based on any specific threat.
"The P-8 is a true multi-mission platform, which will continue to provide us invaluable capabilities," said Rear Adm. Matt Carter, commander of patrol and reconnaissance, said in statement.
"The number of submarines in the world is increasing rapidly," Carter also said. "Other countries are either building or purchasing advanced, quiet, and extremely hard to find submarines and we need to be able to match that technology to be able to detect them."
New U.S. aircraft at Kadena coincided with Vice President Joe Biden's arrival in Japan to start a trip that includes stops in China and South Korea.
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  1. Donald George MacDonald
    Like many young servicemen and servicewomen from Wisconsin and from all states and from numerous countries, I defended my leaders’ chosen causes when I volunteered to enter the military in 1969. I then volunteered in basic training to go to Vietnam.
    Some of my fondest memories of my military service are my many meetings with “my minister” before and after I applied for an Honorable Discharge as a Conscientious Objector in 1971.
    He was a “bird colonel” who commanded respect, but was also a very kind, soft-spoken, gentle man.
    He helped me clarify my changing morality.
    I am still very grateful for his guidance.
    And I will always honor all veterans, but I guess most personally the ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR Wisconsin veterans who sacrificed their lives during our Vietnam War.
    ***
    Our United States citizens have always been told, “there are no diplomatic alternative left,” so our finest sons and daughters must again go to war as bravely as we did and our ancestors did.
    And our U.S. leaders have always pledged that our finest sons and daughters bravely sacrificed their lives in foreign nations for something..."for our further freedom and democracy at home."
    And our U.S. leaders and citizens still try to coerce more of our finest youths to defend more of their chosen causes and to attack more of their chosen foes.
    And the U.S. has allocated $673 billion in "defense" spending for 2013.
    And the majority of our U.S. citizens give 26% of all of their dollars taxed every year to “defense” spending.
    And our majority of citizens only parrot to others that U.S. global military strength and expansionism and weapons productions and weapons sales will make us safer when instead the opposite is surely true.
    And even our most patriotic and brave soldiers will not be able to protect us from our foreign blunders.
    And even our most patriotic and brave soldiers will not be able to protect us from those who fear U.S. global military expansionism and from those who covet our sold weapons of mass destruction and from those who despise the arrogance of U.S. actions and its failed foreign policies.
    ***
    And the U.S. is the supreme military and economic power behind a worldwide military-industrial complex.
    And it is no surprise that our struggling U.S. and world economies, temporarily supported by weapons productions and sales, will continue to only flounder on by if...only if our "Masters of War" can fuel even more wars…even more foreign wars fueled by our failed foreign policies and with our sold weapons of mass destruction.
    And when “world peace’ is somehow discovered and is somehow forced upon even the U.S., the worldwide military-industrial complex, led by the U.S., will collapse.
    And this collapse will create a global economic depression and social upheaval that will put the “Great Depression” to shame.
    Why?
    Because this will be the price all world citizens will have to initially pay as we finally try to make right our past moral wrongs.
    December 2, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Reply
  2. stephen
    Chinese proverb: Don't dip your stick in someone else' soup bowl. We say: Let's see how deep we can dip our stick in the mud.
    December 2, 2013 at 3:22 pm | Reply
  3. Babak from LA
    I wish we would stop sticking our nose where it doesn't belong .... or at least keep quiet about it!
    December 2, 2013 at 3:08 pm | Reply
  4. tom
    I know a lot of people in the ASW (anti-submarine warfare) community. From talking to these people I get the sense that the P-8, like the P-3, is totally incapable of detecting a submarine that doesn't want to be detected.
    December 2, 2013 at 3:08 pm | Reply
  5. John
    Can it predict the terrible condition the country will be in, in another few years, if we continue to allow the Democrats to run the country?
    December 2, 2013 at 3:08 pm | Reply
    • John
      Oh, sorry. I had a computer glitch. That comment was meant for the article about the new super computer.
      December 2, 2013 at 3:09 pm | Reply
    • j1146
      I seem to recall that the last Republican administration turned the record Clinton surplus into the worst economic debacle since 1929. Did you forget about that?
      December 2, 2013 at 3:26 pm | Reply
  6. shrinkDave
    Hopefully, the Chinese didn't read this article, and it's still secret.
    December 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Reply
  7. ger344
    "your words prove that you are insane, sound like from the outspace"
    lol wut?
    December 2, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Reply
  8. dike
    Hope we or China dont start another fight over this....
    December 2, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Reply
    • mark
      Another fight? When was the first one?
      December 2, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Reply
      • freeme10
        The Korean War – albeit a stretch.
        December 2, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
      • Jeff of PEoria
        Does The Korean War ring a bell?
        December 2, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
      • Third Eagle of the Apocalypse
        Thats a BIG stretch...
        December 2, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
  9. cnnFame
    These planes too are told to report their flight plans to chineese authorities. What a friendly trade partners !!
    December 2, 2013 at 2:38 pm | Reply
    • ManatiDiPorci
      Correction: "What a friendly Boss that we have". I don't know we are biting the hand that feeds us and keep our economy stable.
      December 2, 2013 at 2:52 pm | Reply
      • Third Eagle of the Apocalypse
        Economically speaking it’s more of a symbiotic relationship than an employer / employee one.
        December 2, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
  10. cnnFame
    hai
    December 2, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Reply
  11. John
    Let's see. Do nothing and get called a wimp. Do something and get called an antagonist. So either way, be $crewed.
    December 2, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Reply
    • Hmmmm
      Damn if you do, damn if you don't. Might as well..!
      December 2, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Reply
  12. General Patton
    None of you know what you are talking about. You all can go 2 He11.
    December 2, 2013 at 2:15 pm | Reply
    • ManatiDiPorci
      You right, you know it all and the rest of us are just stupid that need to go to he11
      December 2, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Reply
  13. Billy
    This has been a scheduled deployment for years. Has nothing to do with the current situation. Just a happy coincidence.
    December 2, 2013 at 2:09 pm | Reply
  14. Sausage Frenzy
    more spying from the US? Who would have guessed?
    December 2, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Reply
    • sybaris
      nothing new here. We have had bases on Okinawa since the end of WWII
      drama much?
      December 2, 2013 at 2:08 pm | Reply
    • AndrettiDog
      Spying? This isn't spying, this is exposing the spying. Tired of hearing about people upset that the US "spies". This always has been and always will be part of inter country behavior.
      December 2, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Reply
    • ManatiDiPorci
      Sausage Frenzy,
      Are you pro-China? If so, pack your bags and move to China. We don't need unpatriotic bleeding hearts in the USA. So, we spy and China doesn't. Is that what you are saying? You must be an extremist left nutter-case. Support your government and quit defending your nice friends. People like you make me sick!
      December 2, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Reply
      • DL
        Do you say that about someone who's say, pro-Israel?
        December 2, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
      • Jets
        Manatee...why is it that you nut jobs always assume everyone who comments on a website is American? The internet is international, people from timbuktu could be commenting on here. There's nothinng preventing them from doing so. there is no law demanding that only americans can comment on websites of amerlican companies or news networks.. Next time just keep your mouth shut and people wont know youre an inbred hick.
        December 2, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
      • Canada
        your right, I've been very critical of the US for a while... not because I don't like you guys, but the opposite actually... Now that peoples from many nations may be forced to choose a side in a impending conflict. I will Always choose America's.
        December 2, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
    • ger344
      "more spying from the US?"
      More like reconnaissance.
      December 2, 2013 at 2:42 pm | Reply
    • dbarak
      This isn't spying, this is monitoring. If you want to paint it in sinister tones, at least get it somewhat right and call it surveillance. These crews' primary mission is antisubmarine warfare, but their most common mission is (as we called it in the 1980s, I'm not sure if the name has changed) Sea Surface Control. Find and identify surface vessels of any kind – commercial, military, private craft, etc.
      December 2, 2013 at 3:07 pm | Reply
    • worldlypatriotusaveteran
      To Sausage: If you live in any of the G-20 nations, please be assured your country has an active intelligence service, and they collect information and conduct surveillance.
      Yes, again, the USA has active intelligence services......and they've been around for 100+ years.
      Chances are, YOU, personally, have benefited from the data collected by an intelligence service, your country's, or the USA.
      Countries collect information on other countries. It's a fact of life, just like the sky is blue on a clear day.
      GET OVER IT!
      December 2, 2013 at 3:11 pm | Reply
  15. nice target
    this would be a nice target for China's low range ballistic missiles, big and slow. probably no need for these powerful missiles. cruise missiles will do it.
    December 2, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Reply
    • sybaris
      you clearly have no knowledge of missiles and how they are designed for certain targets
      December 2, 2013 at 2:07 pm | Reply
    • willard schoeffling
      You would have to be as dumb as a box of rocks to think you would fire a ICBM or a cruise missle at a aircraft. That's what happens when people who know nothing about a subject and fire off there mouths about it.
      December 2, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Reply
      • dbarak
        ...and use "there" instead of "their"...
        December 2, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
    • p3tacco
      You don't use ballistic missiles, or even cruise missiles, to shoot down an aircraft.
      December 2, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Reply
    • derp
      You're implying that the P-8A would be sent on solo missions, within range of these low range ballistic missiles. Do you think that the most powerful and advanced military on earth would just haphazardly place resources in harms way?
      December 2, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Reply
      • shrinkDave
        Benghazi?
        December 2, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
      • dbarak
        Sending one of these aircraft out alone wouldn't be anything unusual. We flew all sorts of missions solo in S-3s. And even with China and REALLY borderline missions, we've sent aircraft out alone, even on risky missions. Search online for EP-3 and Hainan island to get a sense of what can happen.
        December 2, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
    • Jon
      Ballistic missiles and cruise missiles are mutually exclusive terms. Your implication that they are the same thing is wrong. However, neither has the ability to shoot down aircraft in flight regardless of the aircraft's speed or size.
      December 2, 2013 at 2:13 pm | Reply
    • dbarak
      BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Wrong answer. Ballistic missiles are for fixed ground targets. You might be thinking of surface to air missiles. And think again if you think the Chinese will risk shooting one of our aircraft down.
      December 2, 2013 at 3:11 pm | Reply
  16. taxman
    Well since the Chinese "threat" is a 50 year old barely working aircraft carrier and similar submarines with 1960's technology, lets save our money and send some old P-2 Neptunes out of the scrap yard to meet this so called threat.
    December 2, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Reply
    • sybaris
      you clearly only get your information from public news sources
      December 2, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Reply
    • abqTim
      They just launched a rocket for a moon mission.
      December 2, 2013 at 2:38 pm | Reply
    • Rich
      The Aircraft carrier is about 30 years old. Regardless if is still pretty low tech. The slope take off doesn't provide enough assistance to launch fully fueled and armed aircraft. So basically the Chinese Jets will have reduced range and armaments.
      December 2, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Reply
      • ManatiDiPorci
        On the contrary, they have been building new ACFT Carriers, bigger than ours to get more ACFT support.
        December 2, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
    • ManatiDiPorci
      Where have you been for the past 15 years or so? THey have been modernizing their military and have good technology that General Electric, Clinton, rouge companies selling secrets, and stolen secrets through cyberspace.
      China has been producing most of the products including military products and sold to us half the price it takes to make here. We don't make anything anymore and we are the slaves of China that we purchase their junk and don'tthink about our self reliance and economy. I just laugh when the government say "create jobs". What jobs? Opening another McDonalds so we can be the "fliiping burger nation"?
      Sorry I went off course, but this is just something to think about and stop undermining China's so called "friendship with fake smiles and knives on hands" ready to back stab anytime when you least expect.
      Perhaps we need more money from our boss (China) to cover for the expenses to deploy these aircraft in the Pacific.
      December 2, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Reply
  17. Johnathan
    Goddang it, should've never checked off the SR-71.
    December 2, 2013 at 1:17 pm | Reply
    • ScottCA
      They are already building the SR-72. And this thing is so fast its already flown past you and left before you realise it was there.
      December 2, 2013 at 1:50 pm | Reply
  18. Olim
    USA: A provocateur?
    December 2, 2013 at 1:05 pm | Reply
    • George patton
      Anyone with half a brain knows that the answer to your question is a resounding Yes, Olim! Besides, why can't the Russians send their new reconnaissance aircraft to J apan, too? We sorely need a balance of power here!
      December 2, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Reply
    • Fr33th1nk3r
      China was the one who created the security zone without consulting if they actually had any legitimate claim over those islands. That makes them the provocateur in this case, and you, an idiot.
      December 2, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Reply
      • alien's language
        your words prove that you are insane, sound like from the outspace
        December 2, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
    • Guest
      How do we not know the Chinese were not the first to provoke everyone?
      -Everyone gets called out for their BS sooner or later
      December 2, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Reply
      • ManatiDiPorci
        No the extremist cnn reader bleeding hearts rather defend a commie nation than our. That George Patton dude above needs to stop disgracing that name. The person writing under the name is a extremist coward commie.
        December 2, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
      • Third Eagle of the Apocalypse
        ManatiDiPorci
        But you’re hear reading and posting… doesn’t that make you a extremist cnn reader bleeding heart?
        Who is the bigger fool right? The one spouting the nonsense or the one that comes back to their website over and over to post?
        December 2, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
      • Third Eagle of the Apocalypse
        here*
        December 2, 2013 at 3:10 pm |

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