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Thursday, March 6, 2014

Interesting dialogue on the FA-50 6 March 2014



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    Manny Sd Lopez
    RP EXTERNAL DEFENSE CAPABILITY COMPROMISED?.
    By Manny S.D. Lopez

    The AFP Modernization Program with a budget allocation of P 75-Billion has been compromised, due to a series of questionable acquisitions by the DND-AFP group. The "commercially-driven" acquisition strategy has led to high-priced and low performance defense systems being procured, often against modern military doctrine, technical and management principles. Consequently, the practice is undermining the optimal development of the nation’s external defense capability, which will have serious repercussions in the course of defending Philippine sovereignty and territory. Among the questionable deals entered into by the DND-AFP acquisition group under DND Secretary Voltaire Gazmin includes the purchase of two light cargo aircraft worth P 814 million from PT Dirgantara Indonesia.

    The USAF is currently decommissioning hundreds of slightly-used C-27 Spartan light cargo aircrafts, which could be acquired through US Foreign Military Sales on government-to-government mode at minimal cost through proper representation. Recently, the US offered to transfer 116 units of tracked M-113 Armored Personnel Carriers to the AFP at no cost to the Philippine government. With the scheduled transfer of US-made APC's, this will be more than sufficient to support the armored vehicle requirements of the Philippine Army and Marines. Regardless, the DND-AFP acquisition group insisted on acquiring 28 units of wheeled light armored APC's at a steep price of P 840-million. The contract was won by an Israeli firm supposedly on "commercial bidding" process. It’s a waste of public funds when there are many personnel requirements that are not being adequately addressed in the military establishment. A few years back, the Italian government offered two Maestrale-class missile frigates and the US was ready to grant two more units of Hamilton-class cutters at minimal cost of US$ 10-milion. The DND-AFP acquisition group rejected both offers, instead actively pursued to acquire two new frigates ( most probably from South Korea ) on commercial bidding mode with a budget allocation of P 18-billion, citing economic reasons as rationale. The Philipppine Navy lost the opportunity to avail ex-USN Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates, six of which are now scheduled for transfer to foreign navies at give-away price of US$ 20 to $ 40-million, simply because no concerted effort was undertaken to acquire such ships through US foreign military sales and grants. Amazingly, government-to-government concessional offers of usable military aircraft and naval equipment including grants are either being scrapped, delayed or not actively pursued by the DND based on flimsy economic reasoning as justification.

    12 Jet Trainers For P 18.9-Billion

    Among the most highly questionable transactions being pushed by the DND-AFP acquisition group involves the purchase of 12 units of Korean Aerospace Industries ( KAI ) F/A-50 Golden Eagle Jet Trainers at a whooping cost of P 18.9-Billion ( reportedly "reduced" to US$ 415.7-million from US$ 464-million ), or about US$ 34.6 to 38.8-million per aircraft without munitions. The unproven KAI aircraft model is being positioned as multi-role aircraft for the PAF: as air superiority fighter, ground attack and jet trainer platforms. However, the F/A-50 is deficient to be an effective fighter aircraft in modern air-sea battle scenario dominated by 4.5 and 5.0 generation MRFs of potential adversaries. The F/A-50 is basically a jet trainer developed from the failed F-20 Tigershark project adopted by South Korea in the early 1990's under auspicious circumstances. A number of design and technical limitations, particularly the lack of Beyond Visual Range ( BVR ) radar and fire control, medium range air-to-air missiles and robust ECM capabilities will make the FA-50's "sitting ducks" against formidable adversaries such as SU-27s/30s. It also suffers from relatively slow maximum speed of mach 1.5 and short range. The small size ( 3/4 the size of F-16 ) limits weapons payload and lacks an integrated ground attack targeting system to carry long range air-to-ship missiles like the Exocet or air-launched Harpoon to be an effective anti-ship platform. Overall the F/A-50 lacks essential capabilities for the mission envelope required in air-sea battle and interdiction roles in the West Philippine Sea, where fully refurbished MRFs can perform the mission far better at much lower cost i.e. US$ 5-miillion per aircraft. Accordingly, increased number of MRF aircrafts will ensure credible deterence and survivebility. On the other hand, priced at more than US$ 38.8-milion per aircraft, the F/A-50 is too expensive to be operated as a jet trainer, when basic jet trainers can be acquired and operated at a fraction of the cost. As a matter of comparison, the USAF and other leading air forces continue to use low-end and older jet trainers like the T-38 Talon for the purpose of training jet pilots. The so called "lead-in fighter" training concept is not universally acccepted by leading air force academies in their programs, but more of a sales pitch invented by jet trainer aircraft manufacturers to expand their market reach. For the jet trainer role, refurbishing the S-211 jet trainers acquired by the PAF in the 1990's and supplementing these with other refurbished models that usually cost around US$ 500,000 per aircraft is more cost-effective option. In practice, two seat training variants of the Multi Role Fighter ( MRF ) fleet are used to train the certified jet pilots in air tactics, avionics and weaponry inherent to the MRF aircraft model.

    Notably, there is not a single KAI F/A-50 model flying in any air force in the world today, to serve as reference for performance evaluation and operational sustainability. Considering KAI's lack of extensive aerospace manufacturing experience, technical and logistical limitations, these critical factors should be seriously considered in the decision making process. KAI does not manufacture the key aircraft components, except the air frame. KAI buys the F404 jet engine from GE (USA ), ELTA EL/M-2032 fire control radar from Israel and other sub-systems, These are integrated into the air frame based on Lockheed "indigenous-design" concept derived from the ill-fated Northrop F-20 Tigershark project ( acquired by Lockheed ). Many of the key components are regulated by the governments of the source countries. The Republic of Korea Air Force ( ROKAF ) announced it will acquire 20 units of KAI F/A-50 aircraft model for US$ 600-million, or US$ 30-million per aircraft. The contested decision was premised on their need to replace the ROKAF ageing F-5 ad F-4 aircraft fleet and support South Korea's indigenous aerospace industry. The two recent crashes of similar T-50 jet trainer variants is another cause of serious concern, given the statistical inference that such aircraft model is in very limited production. Less than 85 samples of all KAI T-50 variants have been produced todate. The KAI participated in several international biddings for jet trainers in Israel, Singapore and other countries, but lost out to proven models proposed by experienced aircraft manufacturers. The technical evaluation and findings of these respected air forces can help guide our decision makers. Given the budgeted amount of P 18.9-billion for 12 lightweight jet trainers, a complete air power solution could already be developed, given more intelligent acquisition strategy and principled procurement practices.

    Breach of Procurement Law

    The apparent work around to satisfy KAI’s requirement for 52% down payment is legally untenable, this being lopsided at the very least, and criminally stupendous at worst. The DND-AFP group’s proposal for an outright 15% down payment with staggered payment scheme based on progress billing is reportedly supported by Malacanang. The question that comes to mind is will the aircraft fly and deemed usable for PAF's intended purposes at 25%, 50% or 75% completion rate? Extending a 15% down payment towards the contract price is accommodating enough, to work around the nation’s procurement law in order to satisfy KAI requirement for 52% down payment carries potential criminal liability and deemed unconstitutional. The unusual degree of accommodation extended by the DND-AFP acquisition group to KAI gives an impression of irregularity. Should this be pursued, it exposes the new Aquino administration to potential loss of public trust once understood by the body politic, taxpayers and concerned citizenry. What comes to mind is there a justifiable reason behind the price difference of US$ 4.64 to $ 8.66-million per aircraft in the 12-plane package compared to ROKAF and Indonesian Air Force purchases? The costing is based on the original contract price of US$ 464-million, which was reportedly reduced to US$ 415.7-million. Interestingly, an off-contract cost factor of US$ 5.99-million is being passed off as Buyer Furnished Equipment ( BFE ). In comparison, ROKAF ordered the same KAI F/A-50 aircraft model at US$ 30-million per aircraft, while the Indonesian Air Force ordered the T/A-50 variant at US$ 25-million per unit as reported by leading international aerospace research institutions. The breach of Philippine procurement law is apparent and substantial, and will surely lead to criminal prosecution once the veil of technical jargon is understood by the body politic, concerned citizens and taxpayers.

    No Way DND-KAI

    The 18-months delivery schedule is way too long for the intended purposes of the Philippine Air Force ( PAF ) in delivering its mandate of protecting Philippine skies. Moreover, the 60-days delivery period for spare parts required during the warranty period is a clear indication of problems to come, given the mean time between failures of aircraft components and regulatory issues of imported aircraft components and technologies. The level of after sales technical support is specially demanding for unproven and limited production aircraft models like the KAI F/A-50. The multi-billion peso investment of the Filipino taxpayers for 12 KAI F/A-50 jet trainers being pushed by the DND-AFP group is unjustifiable and should be scrapped for better alternatives. The taxpayers and concerned citizens walked the streets to protest the P 10-billion pork barrel scam and been successful, what should we do to stop the shenanigans in the course of implementing the P 75-billion AFP modernization program? Filipino pilots, sailors and soldiers will be at the forefront of the battle in defense of our national sovereignty and territory against formidable odds, will they have to satisfy themselves with inferior, high-priced equipment and allow incompetence, poor and unprincipled decision making to compromise the development of the nation’s external defense capability? Let's say NO WAY DND-KAI !!! We should stand up, engage the culprits and make known our displeasure, and help ensure the wise and efficient use of public funds for national defense. Certainly, there are better air power solutions and alternatives available from allied nations including new and refurbished MRF and jet trainer aircrafts that can be acquired on government-to-government basis at minimum cost.

    Defend the national interest, reform and support the Armed Forces of the Philippines! Fight graft and corruption in the defense-military establishment! Let us organize and take action now!



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle
    KAI T-50 Golden Eagle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    The KAI T-50 Golden Eagle is a family of South Korean supersonic advanced trainers and multirole light fighters, developed by Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) with Lockheed Martin. The T-50 is South Korea's first...
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    • Jose Rizal M. Reyes, R'chard V'llegas, Ryan Sionil Estrada and 6 others like this.
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    • Sherwin Cutamora Really Manny?you wrote a hundred words above yet you fail to realized FA50 is for LIFT(Lead in fighter trainer) not for MRF, Why compare it with MRF then? What's the point?
      18 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Adroth DotPh Manny Sd Lopez again . . . it is NOT just a basic trainer. It is significantly more sophisticated than an S211 and serves as an introduction to FBW technology, not only for the PAF's pilots but also the PAF's maintenance crews . . . and even its logisticians who now have to figure out how to establish maintenance contracts with qualified suppliers. It is not even a pure LIFT aircraft. If the PAF wanted a pure LIFT aircraft, it would have gone with the M346. They sought a LIFT aircraft that can also function as a "Surface Attack Aircraft" as indicated by acquisition project's title. The other countries that went with the M346 didn't have a need for that capability and therefore went with the comparatively cheaper option. Our requirement was a hybrid, one that require more capability than pure LIFT aircraft could provide. Again . . . it is NOT a substitute for the PAF's Multi-Role Fighter project and therefore should be compared the way you are now. That is a misrepresentation of what the aircraft is and what is meant to do
      18 hours ago · Edited · Like · 2
    • Leo Madrid Almazan Mr A. I don't understand why some people keep insisting on the PAF bypassing a LIFT aircraft that can double as a light fighter straight to flying an MRF that they cannot afford! A simulator is not a replacement for a LIFT? Mr A. I like your F-5 of the 21st century analogy. I chuckle when this guy says that a LIFT is only useful when transitioning into a GEN5 but not for GEN4 or 4.5. I would like to challenge any S211 pilot to fly straight to an Eu Typhoon aircraft and go toe to toe with a MiG 29! He will need several burf bags...Even the best pilots if they have not been flying for a while will feel whoozy once they get in a cockpit of a super-sonic fighter aircraft. I wonder what this guy's credential is? I would like to put him in cockpit and go into a steep dive and let go of the control and let him do the flying. Better yet, I would climb and go into a stall then let him take control!
      18 hours ago · Edited · Like · 2
    • Adroth DotPh Leo Madrid Almazan, thanks. Ultimately, participation in discussions like this aren't really meant to convince people like Manny . . . its to protect other people, who haven't made up their minds yet, from his misconceptions
      18 hours ago · Edited · Like · 2
    • Manny Sd Lopez @Adroth If you kept track of the DND-AFP acquisition group policy, declarations on the FA-50 and acquisition decisions since the approval of RA 10349 known as the AFP Modernization Program, you will take note that the KAI FA-50 was being pushed as a Multi Role Fighter ( MRF ): air superiority and interdiction, ground attack/anti-ship role and jet trainer. Until it became apparent that the aircrafts design limitations and performance envelope is deficient and inappropriate in all aspects of its intended use. Further, it took over 15 years to legislate the AFP Modernization program and provide for its funding, therefore every peso should count in the defense systems acquisition process to ensure the optimal development of RP's external defense capability. Our failure to achieve a minimum deterrence capability with the current legislation and available budget will compromise our stand in the West Philippine Sea. The defense of the Philippines should correctly begin with reforming the defense and military establishment, change of mindsets and culture towards excellence, objectivity and principled patriotism. We cannot afford, neither should we allow the likes of General Garcia to compromise the nation's defense and military establishment and the development of the nation's capability to defend itself against foreign aggressors.
      18 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Manny Sd Lopez On the contrary Adroth, a little more research, objectivity and critical thinking can help discern what are valid and reasonable arguments given the facts. Expertise on defense acquisition issues, requires respectable degrees of technical, managerial a...See More
      18 hours ago · Edited · Like · 1
    • Manuel C. Diaz The sale of Fort Bonifacio was premised on the modernization of the Philippine ARMED FORCES but the proceed vanished in thin air during the time of General Tabaco. This new modernization hullabaloo might end up in a "balck hole" nothing will be modernized but the money will do a disappearing act.
      18 hours ago · Like · 2
    • Manny Sd Lopez Unfortunately while a pilots inputs may be useful to review an aircrafts flying characteristics, it represents a small portion of the acquisition decision equation. You need expertise in the various technologies as applied, economics and management, an...See More
      17 hours ago · Edited · Like · 1
    • Manuel C. Diaz Buy the combat tested jet fighters like the French Mirage used extensively by Israel and the US F16 also used by the Israel in the middle east wars against the Russian Migs.
      18 hours ago · Like · 2
    • Manny Sd Lopez Leo Almazan, I will be so impressed if you can get access to a Euro Typhoon or Mig 29  Whats your rank in the USAF? any background in technology and operations management? electronics? engineering and maintenance? economics and finance? law? diplomacy? and politics? 
      18 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Jose Rizal M. Reyes  Wow, heavy debate. It's really nice to listen to different points of view, especially by those conversant with a subject. This subject requires a lot of knowledge about technical details and other almost esoteric matters. 

      There was a far more a
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    • Manny Sd Lopez Ha ha ha and thanks to you JR  My position is NO WAY TO DND-KAI !!!
      17 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Adroth DotPh Manny Sd Lopez, I've been keeping very close track of the AFP modernization program since 2006 (significant interest long before that, but serious documentary search didn't begin till that year). The project title describes what they were getting: "Sur...See More
      14 hours ago · Edited · Like · 3
    • Leo Madrid Almazan Manny, where do you get your USAF and USN training info? I went to the USN flight training pipeline! I flew the USN S-3Bs, ES-3A when I was in active duty and then flew C-9Bs when I affiliated with the naval reserve? I work for SPAWAR and have worked with both NAVSEA and NAVAIR. I am also a graduate of the Naval War College and a certified DAU acquisition professional. I have been in ACAT I, II and ACATIII programs which I am sure you don't have including the EA-18G growler acquisition. What are your credentials? The internet, wiki pedia? Air Force Academy???? Air Force pilots do not all come from the Air Force Academy.
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    • Leo Madrid Almazan Now T- 2 Buckeyes, that was the aircraft I flew. However FYI, the US Navy transitioned to the T-45 GoshHawk in 2008. You are so far behind so please do check your info cause you are looking like a fool spouting data that are outdated. During the 2008 R...See More
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      16 hours ago · Edited · Like · 1
    • Adroth DotPh Agreed Leo Madrid Almazan waaaay too many hasty conclusions based on quick Web searches designed more to look for details he can use to support his preconceived notions rather than get at the facts . . . and he actually calls his hack-job "critical thinking". It's critical alright, but really lacks data to really be called "thinking"
      16 hours ago · Edited · Like · 1
    • Leo Madrid Almazan Lol Mr A. BTW, we just received the formal invite from the Philippine Amateur Radio Association for our Pag Asa DXpedition. Now just waiting for Mayor B. formal invite. We will then present our KIG/ Spratly DXpedition to the International DX Convention in Vasalia this coming April.
      16 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Adroth DotPh Bravo Zulu Mr A
      16 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Leo Madrid Almazan Now to give manny a lecture in acquisition and procurement. When we select a system for acquisition, we perform a very thorough analysis. That includes requirements development that goes through requirement analysis and review process. This is to ensure that correct decision concerning the system design will meet the stakeholder requirements in terms of technical performance, total ownership costs, material readiness, reduced logistic footprint (supply, maintenance, etc.) and other defined stakeholder objectives. The system analysis process provides thresholds and objectives/goals based on: effectiveness analysis of potential solutions as Master Chief Sam Marcelo would say and trade-off analysis so you can provide a comparison between the effectiveness/cost of each solution....to be continued!
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      16 hours ago · Like · 2
    • Adroth DotPh More about PH acquisition processes

      http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=32284.0
      16 hours ago · Like · 2
    • Leo Madrid Almazan Mr A. Thanks for that informative answer to the RA10349 and the full story regarding the former and current DND fighter acquisition. Walking Encylopedia ka pala!
      16 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Leo Madrid Almazan Mr A. Anyone here wanting to learn about the PH acqusition process go to the Timawa website as Mr A. suggested above. There are similarities with the DoD process. I will continue my lecture tomorrow. I have to watch my news and relax before bedtime....
      16 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Leo Madrid Almazan Mr A. Another good news...this from Capt Ong of the PN whom I have been in contact with. 

      Good pm. Good news. Our FOIC has given greenlight for your project. I will be introducing you to our Chief of Opns. He is my classmate."
      16 hours ago · Like · 2
    • Leo Madrid Almazan Mr A. I might just get some stick time on an Islander!
      16 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Adroth DotPh Nice one Mr A. Couldn't negotiate stick time with a Herc?
      16 hours ago · Edited · Like
    • Leo Madrid Almazan Mr A. I will be back in Manila this coming May. I will give the PAF another try since I was unable to meet with them because I had to cut my vacation short due to the untimely death of my brother Dan who was also a retired USN Commander. He was the CHE...See More
      15 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Adroth DotPh Read about what happened to your brother. Taps
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    • West Philippine Sea for all practical purposes... the FA-50 purchase is already a done deal... some may like it... some may not like it... but the bottom line is... we just bought ourselves 12 LIFT aircraft... the best time to start debating our MRF purchase, therefore, is now... not a few years later when we start receiving these FA-50s...
      15 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Leo Madrid Almazan Thanks Mr A. my blood really boils when one states that the pilot is only a minuscule part of the acquisition process! Hello, it is the stakeholder, the pilot and his his service component who defines the objectives. Engineers, technologists, finance, etc as it was mentioned are after the fact actors. Technical requirements and specs are more crucial since it is the technical package including the DIDs and CIDRLs that the winning contractor will ultimately use to build the system. Now whether he builds what you think you wanted is directly related to how good your technical package was.
      14 hours ago · Like · 1
    • West Philippine Sea it is a time-honored purchasing principle that the user should primarily dictate the technical specifications of the item being purchased...
      14 hours ago · Like · 2
    • Rafael Alunan III unless corruption is curbed our defense will continue to be compromised by reduced resources and bad decisions from people with hidden agendas and the wrong stuff. no amount of unimpressive rhetoric by officials and their surrogates will mean a damn thing to national security until this cancer is excised from the corridors of self-serving power.
      14 hours ago · Edited · Like · 4
    • West Philippine Sea the primary cause of our country's financial difficulties is our National Government's inability to collect taxes...in monetary terms, smuggling and income tax evasion are the primary scourge of our country's economy... plunder of taxes that have been collected would be a distant next...
      14 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Leo Madrid Almazan WPS, thanks for validating my earlier premise
      14 hours ago · Like · 1
    • West Philippine Sea and we should use the same approach in our MRF purchase... the first step we should take is to ask our fighter pilots: "what MRF should we buy you that could guarantee your victory in air-to-air combat against the best fighter plane the PLAAF can throw at us?"...
      14 hours ago · Edited · Like · 2
    • Leo Madrid Almazan Manny... I also have a BSEE and an MSEE and if you don't believe me call SPAWAR or my brother who is the Director of SPAWAR PMW 120. I have two other brothers who also work for SPAWAR PEO. With just the four of us, we have more than 110 years of R&D and acquisition experience! Manny, I am still waiting for your response regarding your experience
      14 hours ago · Like · 3
    • David Israel siguro tabanog ang pinalipad niya an indegenous remote control drones hehehhe
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    • Manny Sd Lopez I'm almost impressed with your self-declared credentials and that of your brothers. Now do I debate with you? your brothers or the entire team to validate the acquisition of 12 KAI FA-50 jet trainers for US$ 464-million?
      5 hours ago · Edited · Like · 1
    • Manny Sd Lopez My credentials in discussing the pertinent issue of evaluating the AFP Modernization program, particularly the acquisition of KAI FA-50 aircrafts with modesty is more than sufficient for an objective and intelligent discourse. I dont think you need to be a jet pilot doing stunt dives to be an effective proponent of competent, principled and informed decision making in the defense systems acquisition and optimal development of the nation's external defense capability. A most celebrated test pilot, Chuck Yeager, had the courage and skills to fly untested aircrafts and while his inputs are used for validation, his role in the decision process is zero. Here are some of the credentials as requested (challenged?) for your information:

      - AB Economics ( UP )

      - MBA ( UCLA )

      - MA Business Economics ( UAP )

      - Juris Doctor ( PCU )

      - CEO, CICSI Technologies, a technology management consultancy and solutions company with offices in Los Angeles, CA and Philippines, representing GeoSat, HP, GIS, Alcatel among other companies. We have a global engineering and technology management resource network with proven expertise in various fields including aerospace engineering and applied technologies for defense systems. The team includes consultants from the US and RP defense and military establishment with ranks of General, Admiral, PhDs among others.

      - Former Under Secretary in Cory Aquino Government

      - Former National Youth Party Chair and Provincial Chair of Ruling Party during Ramos Government

      - Anti-Corruption and Peoples Initiative Advocate

      - Over 40 years of formal and intensive self-study on the subjects of politics, economics, history,technology, management, law, natural and earth sciences, warfare, weapon systems and applied technologies in aerospace, land and naval weapon systems. Attended numerous conventions, seminars and shows in ICT, aerospace and defense systems globally over the years. 

      - Student pilot, yatchsman wannabe, alternative energy and drone system designer-hobbyist. Car and gun enthusiast. 

      However, all these credentials, industry linkages and much more are meaningless, unless used to advance the broader national interest and welfare. The AFP Modernization program is a key component to advance national security, defend RP's territorial integrity and sustain its economic development. All efforts including the employment of social media in this case is being leveraged to ensure the efficient and intelligent use of public funds. Unfortunately, acquiring 12 units of unproven and overpriced KAI FA-50's jet trainer at US$ 38.8-Million each for multi-purpose mission is simply unreasonable and lacking in merit. There are superior air power solutions out there that are more cost-effective and mission capable, given an objective and informed evaluation. A broad understanding of aerospace technologies, operations management, economics and the procurement law are necessary qualifications to optimize results in the acquisition decision process. Honesty and integrity of course in this regard should be beyond doubt. 

      In highlighting SPAWAR to reference one's credentials, as if even a minor role in a minor department automatically qualifies or substitutes for intelligent analysis and reasoning. Arguing the merits of declared position on the basis of facts, reason and superior analysis on the issues at hand wins his case. With the foregoing, the role of patriotic netizens grows even more in the course of defending the nation's sovereignty and territorial integrity. Reforming the defense-military establishment is the first battle that needs to be won in the complex course of developing the nation's external defense capability. Filipino-Americans who wish to contribute in enhancing RP's external defense capability can make representations with their respective Senators and Congressman and appeal to them to provide greater access to US excess defense articles through the Foreign Military sales, grants and financing program to the AFP. Let's make it happen and help defend Philippine sovereignty and territorial integrity against foreign aggressors.
      4 hours ago · Edited · Like · 1
    • Adroth DotPh Manny Sd Lopez the terms and conditions DO NOT infringe upon procurement law. The 52% requirement, which can actually be paid with presidential approval, has been withdrawn already
      5 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Manny Sd Lopez Not quite Adroth, the 52% down payment required by KAI was agreed upon by the DND-AFP acquisitio group and will be delivered by circumventing the law through a progressive billing scheme. The new term required a 15% down payment, and progress billing for the balance! Will 25%, 50%, 75% partly built aircrafts serve us any good? Moreover, there is a new provision labeled as Buyer Provided Equipment ( BPE ) the cost of which runs to about US$ 5-million as an additional expense of the buyer i.e. RP to compensate for the reduced price. Btw, you know for a fact that the primary legislation of the AFP Modernization program was started in 1992 upon FVRs assumption of the presidency. Its fruition was realized beginning in 2012 as funds became available and drawn. That's a 15 years gestation period. Should we wait that long for another round of external defense capability build-up when optimized acquisition could actually deliver the minimum deterrence force within the budget.
      4 hours ago · Edited · Like
    • Manny Sd Lopez Anyway thanks for your inputs everyone....back to work.
      4 hours ago · Like
    • Adroth DotPh Manny Sd Lopez, thank you for acknowledging that the 52% downpayment has indeed been WITHDRAWN. That means that it is already in compliance with regulations for routine acquisitions. Otherwise, Presidential approval for a larger downpayment -- which is permitted by law -- would have been required. Progressive billing is done as aircraft are delivered. NOT for partially built aircraft. As shown in the South Korean's own delivery schedule, and in our other aircraft delivery schedules, aircraft will be delivered in batches. In Indonesia's case, they were delivered two at a time. As they are delivered and found to be in working order . . . payments will be made. There will always have to be BPE. That's why it DOES NOT make sense to try to determine unit costs of individual aircraft by the total cost of the deal divided the number of aircraft. Specifically because BPEs and other offsets vary from deal to deal. Which is why your allegations of "over-pricing" have no verifiable basis in fact. Anyone who really monitors arms deals knows this.

      Your timeline for the AFP modernization program is COMPLETELY WRONG. The modernization law was enacted in 1995 in the wake of Mischief Reef -- not when Ramos entered office. It was to have been funded by JR28, which approved an initial allocation of P165.5B for the Sub-Program I (extraploted to P300B if you include the unfunded Program II). Sadly the Asian Financial Crisis prompted a withdrawal of those funds for other purposes. The first acquisition as part of the modernization program didn't actually take place till 2003. The following articles will help you get squared away:

      http://adroth.ph/flashback-the-afps-modernization-plans.../

      http://adroth.ph/flashback-afp-modernization-2003-to-2006/
      4 hours ago · Edited · Like · 1
    • Manuel C. Diaz In the Philippines the bottom line in this armed forces modernization is "magkano sa akin dyan".
      4 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Manny Sd Lopez This is incorrect,the law was circumvented and the 52% down payment required by KAI was NOT WAIVED ! 15% was the initial down payment and progress billing was to follow until the 52% down payment is satisfied. >>> thank you for acknowledging that the 52% down payment has ACTUALLY been waved

      Not correct, the BPE provision was a recent concoction to address the 6 months waiting period for spare parts. BPE actually meant the DND-AFP-PAF had to buy the spare parts in advance off-contract and as an added cost >>> There will always have to be BPE. 

      The price difference between the acquisition cost of ROKAF for 20 units of KAI FA-50 for a package price of US$ 600-million and the Indonesian order for 16 TA-50s at US$ 25-million per aircraft substantiates the allegation of overprice.The data is available from several aerospace and military reviews. >>> Which is why your allegations of "over-pricing" have no verifiable basis in fact. Anyone who really monitors arms deals knows this.

      The AFP Modernization Program was first conceived a few months after FVR assumed office. The legislation itself was passed in 1995. It was a 3-years legislative work and I have personal knowledge of this since I was the 1st District, Tarlac Chair of Lakas in 1992 and discussed this often with the late Rep.Jose Yap, Chairman of the National Defense Committee in HR. You cannot write and pass a law in a few months. 

      So much has been said and a swath of credentials are being self-declared with nu relevance. However, the fundamental issues against the KAI FA-50 jet trainer aircraft model are not being addressed, namely:

      1. The KAI FA-50 is an unproven jet aircraft model for its multi-role mission. It is assembled by a less experienced aircraft manufacturer in very limited numbers.This will compromise the long term viability of technical support and future upgrades

      2. The design and performance limitations does not make the FA-50 a viable multirole fighter as previously pitched by the DND-AFP acquisition group, while it will be too expensive to operate the aircraft as a jet trainer. Given the far prospect of acquiring +5 generation aircrafts, the need for a LIFT aircraft is at best a sales pitch. The budget amount is sufficient to acquire several squadrons of refurbished high performance MRFs and vasic jet trainers. No need for follow the LIFT training concept. 

      3. Comparative prices of same aircraft model and similar variants as reported by international aerospace and military publications indicate a significant price difference, which suggest a case of overpricing.

      4. The process undertaken by the DND-AFP acquisition group to satisfy the 52% down payment requirement of KAI through progress billing and the added expense of the so called BPE provision ( for spare parts ) are lopsided and a circumvention of RP's procurement law. 

      These indisputable facts are enough reasons to reject the contract through legal and/or political means to safeguard public interest and avail of better and more cost-effective air power solutions for the PAF. 

      SAY NO TO DND-KAI DEAL. Call your congressman and senator to perform their duty as congressional oversight! Calling on lawyer groups to explore the prospect of bringing the matter to the Supreme Court to determine the constitutionality of the proceeding, if there are any serious violation of RP's procurement law and satisfaction of the acquisition standard as prescribed under the AFP Modernization Program as amended.
      3 hours ago · Edited · Like
    • Jelo Czar Araullo We need it stop stalling the deal, we can always get the MRF jets as we want we just want to keep our best pilots alive let china do the dying!
      2 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Adroth DotPh Manny Sd Lopez you are actually contradicting yourself. The fact that the downpayment was reduced to 15% actually brought the deal in compliance with the law. The law, btw, DOES ALLOW downpayments above 52% provided it is approved by the President. See Section 4, sub-paragraph 4.1 of the IRR for the Government Procurement Reform Act. They simply sought to simplify matters by aligning with normal purchases hence the push back to 15%

      Repeating your flawed understanding of the SAA/LIFT project doesn't make it correct. Since 2010, when the SAA/LIFT deal was first announced, it was ALWAYS presented as a trainer with combat capability and not as a substitute for the MRF. Look at the actual transcripts of in-face interviews of DND-AFP personnel . . . and do not rely on news reports that are sensationalized by editors. So your MRF comparisons are MISGUIDED.

      Progressive billing is a standard facet of such deals. You can't expect a buyer to pay such a large amount up front, and you cannot expect a supplier to assume the risk of building items that may eventually not be paid for. 

      When you compare prices without understanding the CONTEXT of such price data . . . then you end up for false information. The fact of the matter is it is IMPOSSIBLE to do an aircraft-by-aircraft comparison because components of individual deals vary. That's where your BPEs come in. Check out the DSCA.mil Website for samples of how deals are packaged and you will understand. Again, it is IMPOSSIBLE to determine the price of aircraft simply by dividing the total cost of the deal by the number of aircraft. Anyone who does that is betraying his ignorance of military procurement

      The only INDESPUTABLE fact . . . is that YOU don't have your facts straight. You've repeatedly demonstrated a failure to research subjects thoroughly and are more than willing to go off the deep end based on FLAWED research. Ultimately, your campaign is frivolous and will only delay an already delayed modernization effort . . . all because you jumped the gun without understanding the facts
      about an hour ago · Edited · Like · 2
    • Leo Madrid Almazan manny impressive as your credential maybe, you still do not have the acquisition credential that is needed to make the argument regarding the FA-50 procurement. Your statement regarding the pilot as insignificant in the acquisition process is already a red flag to anyone that really understand the acquisition process. It is the stakeholder, the pilot and or his service command (USN, USAF, USA) who determines the threshold and objectives and pushes the requirements and the specs. The engineers, finance, legal, etc are after the fact actors who will put the technical package out to the winning bidder. The PAF and its pilots wants the LIFT, they put forth their requirements and the rest is history. They are the ones who will fly the damn thing. No one else! BTW if you still want to verify my credentials, ask a common friend of ours, my wife's first cousin, James Espiritu. I am retiring part time in the Philippines starting in May and I am also helping out with the Philippine military modernization, that is why Sec Alunan asked me to speak with then PN FOIC Pama during my trip to Manila last November. I have other projects to help the PH in terms of emergency communication and indigenous satellite development program which I have shown to both Sec Raffy Alunan and Congressman Roi Golez. So let us stop with this MRF nonsense and leave it that up to us aviators and move on. The LIFT is done deal. BTW, I also went to UP Elem and 2 years at UP High before we moved back to the States. So we have something in common...UP maroon blood!
      about an hour ago · Like · 1
    • Adroth DotPh Manny Sd Lopez, while your suggestion that the PH focus instead on acquiring second-hand aircraft has merit, it ignores two important points. First of all, any 2nd-hand acquisition must comply with Administrative Order 169 Series of 2007 (let's see you demo your research abilities on that one. I won't spoon feed you on that point. That should be enough of a clue). Second our experience in 2010 with the effort to acquire EDA F-16 should already clue you in to the source of hesitation that foreign sources may have with giving us aircraft that we have no history of showing that we are able to keep in the air. The fact that C-130s, which have been in our inventory since the 70s, is giving us MOOE issues, how much more with aircraft of the complexity of MRFs. The FA-50 will not only train our pilots to operate advanced aircraft, they also train the entire organization (to include ground crews, logisticians) about the ins-and-outs of operating modern FBW aircraft. Once we have that under our belt, we will have demonstrated to the all potential buyers of EDA aircraft that such offers are not wasted on us and that they are not better off being held in reserve for other experienced operators of the type. The Indonesians, for example had no problems getting access to F-16 Block 25 because they are existing operators with a track record for maintaining them. When we tried following suit . . . we were offered "A" version Block 15 that were at the end of their useful airframe lives. All that along with a critical commentary about our logistical capabilities in the US congress. The FA-50 is an opportunity to demonstrate that we've progressed in our internal re-organization efforts all with the help of a vendor that has a vested interest in our success. And one more thing, the PAF is actually eye-ing brand new MRFs that can stay in service for much longer than a refurbished fighter
      36 minutes ago · Edited · Like · 1
    • Leo Madrid Almazan Mr A. I remember the US Marines giving orientation rides to PAF pilots, I believe during one of our exercises in 2003. I was in JUSMAGPHIL at that time and there were talks of the PH acquiring the FA-18s. What happened to that? Manny should know that the PH is a very difficult client to deal with in terms of military contracts. Am I right or wrong?
      35 minutes ago · Like
    • Adroth DotPh Leo Madrid Almazan the Philippines has an atrocious record. I recall a FlightGlobal article that related the reactions of defense vendors whenever PH representatives went to airshows asking for data about various products. Vendors were reportedly roll their eyes, shrug, give the data . . . and then expect that nothing will happen. On top of that, we have a track record of cancellations. Look at how many times the Attack Helicopter project was conducted. Five times since 2006, with notices of award issued in three of those . . . which were then later revoked. NOBODY takes us seriously. Which is why the recent round of acquisition is actually important, especially the FA-50, because they are a sign that the PH acquisition system is maturing. With the full implementation of DAS/DSOM, we are starting to see those reforms bear fruit. All that's required now is a full-on professionalization of the acquisition office, hopefully at par with the what's expected of products of the Defense Aquisition University. On the matter of JUSMAG and the F-18, JUSMAG was reportedly instrumental in the dissolution of the PAF fighter capability by recommending a focus on ISO. With that . . . evaporated the old F-18/F-16 efforts
      27 minutes ago · Like
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